The USP Expert barrel is fitted to the slide. You can see the difference if you take the barrel out and compare it to the normal USP.

That combined with a longer barrel, heavier weight loaded, better sights and better trigger translate to the gun being more accurate for everyone else on earth.

Like I said it is an unpopular opinion. I did forget they stone those barrel flats in addition to the o ring. I would love to see someone ransom ready the two guns side by side because the USP is pretty darn accurate without that.

As for the rest, blacked out sights don’t work very well unless you are shooting bullseye. They should come with a fiber optic front at a minimum like the Combat Competitions do. That would be a great combo. Also, the trigger is called the Match trigger but that is just marketing. The DA pull is still not very good, the SA is good. On the Langdon tuned LTT’s both are fantastic. Easily better than my Expert.

I am a huge fan of the 92 series and really want to get a LTT Centurion though they are hard to find. I have the Expert and it’s great all around. To me the HK trigger is pretty good. Mine breaks at 3.5#, which needs no improvement. I usually hate black target sights though for this particular gun it works well and it’s very accurate with the stock set up. I will concede that a fiber optic front would be even better though. I debated on getting the jet funnel version and did not. I then held a jet funnel Expert and the balance is even better than mine so perhaps someday I’ll pick up a kit.

The fiber optic front sight on my USP Combat Competition is the same height as the Expert blade. Many times I have considered buying one and swapping it out. It would be a great upgrade. I agree the SA trigger pull is very good, my issue is the DA stroke is not that great. It great for an HK. Lol

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Originally posted by cyberiad:
I think almost anything will suffice for nightstand duty. I'm not usually a 'trigger snob' but for me H&K has always meant horrible trigger and I couldn't see myself personally using an all steel gun for the nightstand, I don't see the point. The 92FS are a dime a dozen but the LTT models are typically in a category of their own.

Sure anything will do for nightstand duty. Sometimes its a 300BLK AR pistol for when Im watching spooky movies, most of the time it's a G19 or 1911.

If you read the OP(and Im just saying it reads like you didn't and skimmed through the posts), youd see I'm looking for a big soft shooting 9mm because I've fucked up my hands and need a fancy old fart range slut.

And it would be great if I could hang an X300 on it and do house clearing, but the real purpose is to have a weapon I can shoot more without boring myself with rimfires


I've been looking at CZ's all evening you bastards! I will update when I finally burn some Benjamins...

I was about to mention one of the newer CZ Shadows. I’d like one someday myself. I have a USPc, not in the league of the higher end USP’s obviously. I’m betting you could do pull ups on the DA trigger… it’s HEAVY. The match Hk triggers are much better.
Shadow 2 below for the drool factor.

I have nothing but good things to say about the Expert (and all of my other USPs and HKs for that matter). HK usually gets a lot of flak for their triggers but the USP Expert is definitely better than the others. The double-action pull is only slightly lighter/smoother than on my standard USP, but the single-action pull leaves nothing to be desired IMO.

The USP series also seems to have the least amount of frame flex during firing compared to other polymer guns I have tried. And while polymer frame flex has never bothered me before (it's almost universally overblown), both Berettas will be better in that respect. But the Expert makes better use of its overall length than the Beretta when it comes to sight radius. And I'd count on the Expert (despite the lighter frame) to at least tie the 92X Performance for soft shooting. The recoil system design really is that good.

Now admittedly, I have never been a huge fan of the Beretta 92 series (just my personal preferences and there is no doubt they are excellent guns). But I was considering a 92X Performance at one point. Especially when I found out they make one without a rail. The steel frame and the SAO just did it for me. So out of the two Berettas, I would pick that one. However, if I read the OP correctly, you're in the market for DA/SA. Which only leaves you with the LTT. So in that case, my vote is for the Expert.

From what I understand the 92X Performance is DA/SA, but no de-cock function.

I do appreciate the comments, I am betting the Expert is a softy, but the heavy DA will get old fast I'm afraid.

It's down to a Beretta or big frame CZ at this point.

I didn't know what I was missing until I bought, handled, and fired one. Wow! And now they have an OR version as well. It's an incredible pistol overall, but again, heavier than the Sig P226 Legion. VERY soft shooting.

This is the SP-01 Target II version hand massaged by Angus himself. Kinda like an AccuShadow without the barrel bushing.

And by the way, if you're into striker fired, the Walther PDP Pro is also worth a look - the trigger will surprise you.

Just some HK porn for you to help with your decision, bahaha.

If you want a CZ Shadow 2, I've been seeing them online lately for under $900, which is cheaper than I've ever seen them before. $900 is within the upper end of SP-01 pricing.

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Originally posted by iron chef:
If you want a CZ Shadow 2, I've been seeing them online lately for under $900, which is cheaper than I've ever seen them before. $900 is within the upper end of SP-01 pricing.

$900 is a spectacular price for a Shadow 2 if new.

BTW the Match Trigger (comes standard) in the HK Expert/Tac/Elite is a real improvement.
I even installed them as an aftermarket on my full sized USP and was a big help.
Mine pull at around 4-lbs (SA).
The nice thing with the Expert/Tac/Elite is that you also get the better o-ring barrel.

Where have you seen them that low? That’s below dealer cost. I may get one at that price!

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Originally posted by iron chef:
If you want a CZ Shadow 2, I've been seeing them online lately for under $900, which is cheaper than I've ever seen them before. $900 is within the upper end of SP-01 pricing.

I’ve owned just about every DA/SA gun and have had trigger work done and many of them by all the big names in the business.

That said I actually really like the USP Expert DA trigger. In that regard I’m in the minority. It’s heavy at 10ths but it’s much shorter than a 92 or CZ75 or most others. This is mainly due to the trigger being decocked to the half cock position.

With DA triggers you have too options. Heavy and short or long and light. There is no free lunch. If the hammer arc is short like on the USP then you need a heavier spring for ignition.

If it’s longer like on a Beretta 92 series then you can have a lighter spring. The newer Wilson and Langdon trigger bars were designed around the idea of a longer hammer arc so you can run lighter springs. I don’t like a long pull, even if it’s light.

Once again will disagree. 10 lbs is heavy for a “Match grade” trigger and I have added all the Cajun Gun Works fancy “duty” trigger parts to all my CZ’s and I can most definitely say the trigger pull is light. And short. HK just doesn’t do DA well at all.

My Shadow 2 is one of the few CZ’s I haven’t touched the factory trigger. It is pretty good as is. If you are willing though the Cajun parts will improve it as well.

I am going to throw a wrench into this discussion. You mentioned arthritis. You might consider a light LEM HK of your choosing. Basically it eliminates ever having a DA stroke, they are all the same SA-like pull. LEMis a bear to explain but makes sense in the hand.

In fact I dislike the trigger on my Expert so much that my intention is to convert it to LEM but the conversion parts have been out of stock forever. Find a LEM, test fire it because it is “different”. I prefer LEM over all other HK triggers.

I know its heavier, its shorter, which is why I like it.

CZ's and Beretta's can be sprung so light because they have big hammer arcs. The LTT trigger bar and Wilson trigger bar both use as a selling point a longer hammer arc so you can use lighter springs. Same with the Gray Guns ALS. Without a longer hammer arc you'd have to use heavier springs.

The USP DA starts from the half cock. It's shorter, better? No. Shorter? Without a doubt.

No, my point was you said you can have short and heavy or long and light or something to that effect. Cajun Gun Works parts in a CZ75 is light and it’s short. Easily as short as the Expert. As for the half cocked stuff, every CZ that has a decocker does the same thing. Decock one and you are at half cock notch or whatever CZ calls it, this isn’t unique to HK. Technically you can do the same thing to a 92. Decock it and pull it back to the notch. Nobody I know does this but it is safe. So do the CZ safety versions but most games make you go through the half cock to full down to start.

Point is, you can find short and light triggers that aren’t the Expert.

I've shot them all, I'm aware of the differences including measurements of trigger travel. Have a nice day.

I think I'd end up treating the H&K like an SAO, which you can do. I still think it's a massively appealing gun, very much worth owning eventually. 357fuzz might be right after all.

Still, a tuned 92 or CZ with a borderline "too light" DA pull is something I can see enjoying and practicing with more immediately.

Also I like the idea of a DA first pull for HD scenarios, but I'm still ultimately toy shopping. I already have guns I have trusted for years for serious uses. The Glocks will not go away, they are the ultimate CCW for me.

I think LEM is a cool idea, but I've been carrying Glocks for so long, the light DAOs have become a don't-care, clever as they might be.

The 92X performance just isn't doing it for me.

So we have the LTT Elite leading by a nose, with a shadowy CZ dark horse right in the mix. H&K is falling behind, but not out of the race, especially if I find one at a great price...