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First off, this is not a complaint.

I sent my HK VP9sk to Gray Guns for their HK trigger job. This gun had a take-up that had a pronounced hitch in it and a mushy and gritty break.

After their work the take-up is much smoother and the break is fairly clean, but very stiff (if that makes any sense). The result is much better than it started out but not nearly as good as my dead stock Steyr S9A1 (Which has over 3K rounds through it).

My question is, once a trigger job is completed, will the trigger lighten up a bit after a number of rounds or have they gotten it as good as it can be.

I guess I am hoping after a few K rounds this will continue to improve. Hoping to tap in on all of your experience.

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Steve,
Did you ask this of the folks at Gray Guns?



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Steve,
Did you ask this of the folks at Gray Guns?


I did not. I was looking to insight from people who have had trigger jobs. I don't want them to think I am complaining about their work. This may be the best I can hope for.


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I would have asked this of them first instead of putting it out there to a few thousand of their closest friends/potential customers.


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I would have asked this of them first instead of putting it out there to a few thousand of their closest friends/potential customers.


Why would it be a problem to ask the generic question "do trigger jobs get better over time?"


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Why would it be a problem to ask the generic question "do trigger jobs get better over time?"


Steve, it wouldn't be but your post wasn't generic at all. You identified Gray Guns, who is a well respected member of this forum, and they're having been the ones who did the work for you. Wink



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Often when farming out a trigger job, the customer states what he wants his new trigger to be like.

1) What the pistol will be used for
2) Amount of take-up
3) Amount of over-travel
4) Pull weight
5) Defined wall ?
6) Rolling break ?

The pistolsmith will then explain what can be accomplished with that particular design.

So maybe it was how the Work Order was written ?
In any event, Gray Guns will make you happy.
 
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To be clear, once again, this was not posted as a complaint with the Gray Guns trigger job. I noted who did this job because there are all levels of trigger jobs from the Bubba friend to first class services like Bruce Gray. Knowing the base line would allow someone to comment as to whether they have found it improves over time or not.

What was to be accomplished was stated on their site. I have not tested the trigger pull weight although it seems much more than 4-4.5 lbs.


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To be clear, once again, this was not posted as a complaint with the Gray Guns trigger job. I noted who did this job because there are all levels of trigger jobs from the Bubba friend to first class services like Bruce Gray. Knowing the base line would allow someone to comment as to whether they have found it improves over time or not.

What was to be accomplished was stated on their site. I have not tested the trigger pull weight although it seems much more than 4-4.5 lbs.

I know you can't see it, because you've tried to reiterate it twice, but to this reader your posts describe a trigger job that you are not happy with.

And to answer your original question, sure, triggers usually slick up more with use.
 
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Steve, you are more than welcome to compare your HK to my buddies HK (Grayguns trigger) and my stock HK. There is a definite difference between stock and Grayguns. My e mail is in my profile.
 
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Hi! Thanks to our friends here who helped 1Lt. with his inquiry. Sigforum is still the best, because of y'all.

It's a good question! Yes, parts burnish in and springs set with use, and we most definitely accommodate those effects when setting up an action. It's foolishly unsafe to hand that hammer on the razor's edge, and hairy-eyeball tuning isn't necessary for gunsmiths who know what they are doing. However, we must err on the side of the possibility of heavy use and no maintenance. Thus, mainsprings start out a bit heavier, for example. It sounds like your result is outside those reasonable expectations.

That said, we guarantee everything we do for life, as I always have since I started out as an apprentice in 1974. Our CS line is: (888) 585-4729. Please feel free to contact my CS Manager Chris Sweeten and explain your concern? Let us see what we can do to help you. Thanks!

-Bruce




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Thank you for posting! I appreciate your thoughtful reply. Now that I better understand your design parameters, I will give the gun more use before making a decision to see if it "breaks in" a bit. I have only been able to put 200 rounds downrange so far. Ammo shortage so I have been rationing. Reassuring to know it has a lifetime guarantee.

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Hi! Thanks to our friends here who helped 1Lt. with his inquiry. Sigforum is still the best, because of y'all.

It's a good question! Yes, parts burnish in and springs set with use, and we most definitely accommodate those effects when setting up an action. It's foolishly unsafe to hand that hammer on the razor's edge, and hairy-eyeball tuning isn't necessary for gunsmiths who know what they are doing. However, we must err on the side of the possibility of heavy use and no maintenance. Thus, mainsprings start out a bit heavier, for example. It sounds like your result is outside those reasonable expectations.

That said, we guarantee everything we do for life, as I always have since I started out as an apprentice in 1974. Our CS line is: (888) 585-4729. Please feel free to contact my CS Manager Chris Sweeten and explain your concern? Let us see what we can do to help you. Thanks!

-Bruce


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Steve, you are more than welcome to compare your HK to my buddies HK (Grayguns trigger) and my stock HK. There is a definite difference between stock and Grayguns. My e mail is in my profile.


Thanks for offering this. Once this pandemic is over I would like to take you up on this.


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When I sent my guns to GGI, I specified 3.75-4 lbs. trigger break. Otherwise it will be set slightly higher. Also they have to factor in if the gun is broken in or not. I belive after break in the pull weight will drop by ~3/4 lbs.


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Gray Guns is junk. Let me send you my FFL information so you can dispose of it properly. I’ll even pay for shipping Big Grin

Seriously, though. I have fired a Sig with Gray Guns trigger work and it was as smooth as a baby’s ass.


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Just for the record I never took the OP as calling out GG for poor work or anything like that. Just as looking for input from other GG users who might be able to provide some end user insight.


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After three decades of shooting, owning and fooling around with them, I've come to believe that you can only get so much quality out of a striker-base trigger no matter how much resources are thrown at it.

-MG


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After three decades of shooting, owning and fooling around with them, I've come to believe that you can only get so much quality out of a striker-base trigger no matter how much resources are thrown at it.

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After three decades of shooting, owning and fooling around with them, I've come to believe that you can only get so much quality out of a striker-base trigger no matter how much resources are thrown at it.

-MG


The difference is, I don't fool around with them, for what that's worth.




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Steve, you are more than welcome to compare your HK to my buddies HK (Grayguns trigger) and my stock HK. There is a definite difference between stock and Grayguns. My e mail is in my profile.


Thanks for offering this. Once this pandemic is over I would like to take you up on this.


My pleasure! Anytime you wish. Thanks!

-Bruce




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Visit us at http://opspectraining.com/product-cat/videos/ to order yours, and Thank You for making GGI the leader in custom SIG and HK pistolsmithing and high-grade components.

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