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Hawk, I think you and I are on the same side of this, just looking at thing a bit differently. There is are identified genotypes that are associated with specific athletically advantageous phenotypes. The issue is that there are not clear associations with said genotypes and all elite athletes . This is not because we are all equal and champions just work harder. We just do not know all the epigenetic, environmental, psychological, training, and nutrition factors that go in to a making one athlete consistently superior to another. But oh yeah, some people at defined times are just better at certain skills. Hey Hawk, are you at MOAC this year ? We can continue this debate over dinner if you like ! "Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that' George Carlin | |||
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This. (as long as the practice is using proper technique) We are all born with some innate abilities for something. It doesn't matter though how much you practice, train or "want it" - if you are built like a defensive lineman you have ZERO, NADA, NO chance to beat Usain Bolt in a 100 meter race. You must find something else to succeed at. -------- After the game, the King and the pawn go into the same box. | |||
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If you're built lime a football player and want to beat Bolt, you absolutely can do it if you also possess a modicum of intelligence and wherewithal. Tackle Bolt, then get up and run. Go in a strainght line, because on his one good leg he'll just run in circles. There are multiple means of skinning most cats. For the rest, they make rifles. | |||
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YooperSigs - I suspect that the shooter to whom you refer might be a retired MSP officer who was also a former MSP motorcycle trooper and trick shooter who gave demonstrations all over the state of Michigan. His old Harley is displayed at the MSP museum near Lansing. His first name was Don; last name started with a "D". I believe he is still alive and closing in to 100 years of age. He was an awesome marksman, and a great guy too! | |||
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I'll be there. Can't miss a chance to hang out in Jerrys hood. | |||
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When I was a D class shooter, it was definitely "they are super talented, I cannot possibly run a gun that fast" situation... now as I see stage times between nationally competitive shooters and myself shrink and become less intimidating, I have swung to the other direction and think most people can train to a GM level. That being said, it definitely comes easier to some... fast twitch vs slow twitch, better eyesight, faster processing of visual data, etc... but, it really comes down to how much time and money you have to throw at a pursuit that will never be profitable for 99+% of the participants. I was truly awful when I began seriously trying to figure this out... now I'm less awful, but still have years of work ahead of me to get to where I want to be... _________________________________________ I'm all jacked up on Mountain Dew... | |||
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Very well put. And the difference is found with discipline and practice. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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There's practice/training, and there's practice that matters. I can spend four hours a day banging away at targets and just be reinforcing bad habits or just going through the motions. Real dedicated practice is mentally exhausting. Personally, I can't dry fire for more than about 10-15 minute increments before I'm just going through the motions vs actually practicing. There is *some* truth to physical gifts. I can practice constantly and have the best trainers in the world, but I'm too big to be a world class gymnast. For gun games/gun fights, visual acuity will matter and is tough to train to improve. However you can get to very high levels with dedicated practice and enough hours. "Talent is overrated" is an excellent book that addresses both this topic and how to have productive practice vs going through the motions. | |||
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Natural ability will always play a role in how far someone's 'talent' takes them, but the above it it in a nutshell. My brother is a professional musician and a Grammy winner with several gold records to his credit. He is gifted from a musical standpoint, but he has spent decades training for his art. He could be the most gifted bass player out there, but without the hard work that brings it all together he would be that really good guy at open mike night. When I was younger I played hockey with some amazingly skilled players. None of them made the NHL. Most of them knew players who did and said given equal skill it all boiled down to wanting it bad enough, and then putting in the hard work. Marty McSorley once said that you could tell who really wanted to make and stay in the NHL by how much time they put in on the stationary bike, even after practice. _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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I would add that love for the game is a prerequisite for the level of dedication to training and practice required for high levels of performance. Some people have natural ability for a game, but don't care enough about it to make a go of it. More or less what everyone has been saying so far. But I wanted to emphasize a love for the game. As a corollary proof, look at all the guys who pour tons of time and money into a game, but plateau for various reasons, some of which I believe is natural ability. Lover of the US Constitution Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster | |||
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Ah, nature vs nurture. Robbie Leatham had 20/10 vision when he was young, I was told. He trained and shot a lot. With same amount of effort and perseverance, would he have become the TGO if he had to wear corrective lenses from the adolescence, like many people do? | |||
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