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So are Preban mags still a think in MA? I purchased this very good condition 1991 Gen2 Glock 19 and it came with 3 preban G19 mags and 1 preban G17 mags. They all have +2 extensions but I have the original flat base pads. My question is do these mags still command a premium? I only paid $329 for the package so selling the mags separately would be the icing on the cake.    Here are some pics with my other G19’s   _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | ||
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Nice collection! What weapon light is that on the Roland? | |||
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| Vote the BASTIDS OUT!  |
Yes, the pre-ban mags still get a premium here in MA. It's still legal for us in MA to buy them and possess them. John "Building a wall will violate the rights of millions of illegals." [Nancy Pelosi] | |||
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It’s the Inforce APL-C for Glock compact models. _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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Also the internals are not untreated steel like they are today. They look to be phosphate coated. Was that a thing back in the 90’s with Glocks? _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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The cake is a lie! |
The black pre 6-part upgraded parts are a collectors item so I've heard. | |||
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Yep. Original early internals. I wonder if your frame has been relieved for the cracking issue. Probably not if it's that early. You might wanna check that before shooting it. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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Where did they crack? I see none on the frame. Where are the relief cuts, on the inside of the dust cover?  _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
Does not look like it's been done on your pistol. It's a hole milled almost vertically down into the frame at both rear corners of the locking block following its rear contour, from the side it looks like a cut through the polymer section of the frame rail guide there next to the locking block. Both my Gen 2 19's have it. This was done to prevent cracking of the frame around that area. I'm not sure how common the problem was, but forum member XLT tracked down a Gen 2 19 a few months ago and upon further inspection, his was unmodified, and was indeed cracked. I know he got in touch with Glock, but I think they basically told him he could get a Gen 3 frame. I have two thoughts about this gun. One is leave it absolutely as-is and stow it for collectors value for an early, original, unmodified clean example, and that's dependent on whether you also got the original tupperware, because that's a piece of the pie collectors look for if that's your angle on the gun. The other is see if Glock will do the frame modification, but the risk is that once you send it, you may have kissed away your Gen 2 frame forever because if they deem it unsafe in any way, you get a brand new gen 3 frame. If that bothers you, I would shoot it sparingly with standard pressure stuff. And those two things hinge on this observation: Your internals might just not be the black lacquered early ones. Without a better pic, it's hard to tell, but your parts are shinier than the internals in my '93 and '94 vintage 19's which haven't had the six point upgrade, and nowhere near as black as the original internals in my 1986 Gen 1 17. If you can post some better pictures, it would be easier to tell. But if you have upgraded internals and Glock will do the frame modification (I believe only if it's not cracked), and you actually get your frame back, that would be a way to give a very nice Gen 2 19 the lifespan it deserves. It could be argued whether there is any actual added collector's value to the thing being in completely original shape, but what is known is that Gen 2 19's without that mod can crack, and have cracked. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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"Premium"... yes, but a much lower one than back when the rest of the country was under the ban. I sold some Glock and a bunch of AR pre-ban mags to MA when the Safe Act passed. After a while (whenever I'd find more mags stashed in the house) I just started giving them away because selling them wasn't worth the bother. (There were even a few things I just threw away.) _____________________________________________________ Sliced bread, the greatest thing since the 1911. | |||
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Was thinking that on the two pin Gen2s that there was a polymer block that the grip was cast around. The cracks appeared at the edges of the polymer blocks where it is cast. Those should be fine as a 9mm. No hot 9s or 40 / 357Sig conversion for these. The three pin versions no longer had the block and were cast as a single piece. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
That was my initial understanting also, .38supersig. Turns out that unmodified Gen 2 19's can crack there, and some do. How big of a deal it actually is, likely is a matter of debate. But at least one forum member here in the last six months felt screwed over buying a used unmodified Gen 2 19 that was cracked. Just trying to inform Dusty as to what it looks like he has to the best of my accrued knowledge. I also just noticed it has the original target overhang rear sight. Pretty cool early feature. My Gen 1 came with that also. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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How are pre ban mags identified?  ========================================== Just my 2¢ ____________________________ Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right ♫♫♫ | |||
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| The cake is a lie! |
  Having non full metal lining is a sure way to tell, although they tend to start cracking all the way down the witness holes as seen on the #3 mag. | |||
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The parts are black I just took that picture with the flash on. The internal parts are the same exact color as the slide stop. I know a dealer that collects Gen 1 and 2 guns and I will let him get a look and see what he thinks. I definitely don’t see any cracked but this gun hasn’t been fired much. Some smileys on the barrel but the barrel Hood is almost perfect, the magwell is pristine, and 2 of the mags look to be unfired.     _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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Very nice find! At that price I don't see how you could go wrong. -------- After the game, the King and the pawn go into the same box. | |||
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As a Masshole, I will say that you should be able to get $50/mag. I’ve seen guys list them for $70 but they don’t sell. The plastic mag bodies make these more desirable than the older SIG mags, because the SIG mag bodies wouldn’t get brittle and break. | |||
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