Dream Comparison…

December 12, 2022, 05:45 PM

bac1023

Dream Comparison…

Who wins in an accuracy contest between these two awesome (and now defunct) custom shops?

Thinking of doing an unscientific test for fun to find out. Was looking for opinions. Please don’t take it too seriously. I know there are many factors to take into consideration, but this would just be a fun range exercise from a bench rest on one given day.

Sig Sauer Mastershop vs Smith & Wesson Performance Center

December 12, 2022, 06:30 PM

David Lee

I vote for a contest of the far right X gun and far right PPC model. Way cool lot of pistols bac.

December 12, 2022, 06:38 PM

P250UA5

Sorry, picking jaw off the floor & cleaning the puddle of drool. Was there a question?

December 13, 2022, 06:11 AM

GCE61

Wow, very nice indeed!

December 13, 2022, 07:32 AM

DanH

My vote goes to the old Performance Center. They did a lot more to S&Ws than just making them pretty on the outside. I only wish I had the money you have to buy 1/4 of what’s in that picture.

December 13, 2022, 07:36 AM

nra-life-member

quote:
Originally posted by P250UA5:
Sorry, picking jaw off the floor & cleaning the puddle of drool. Was there a question?

I second that statement..

December 13, 2022, 07:36 AM

ShootingSigs2

bac, thank you for sharing your beautiful collection. You have an amazing collection of high end pistols. I always enjoy seeing your collections because you always have the best of the best from all gun makers. It is a real treat to get to view these. Thanks again. Happy shooting

December 13, 2022, 07:37 AM

bac1023

quote:
Originally posted by DanH:
My vote goes to the old Performance Center. They did a lot more to S&Ws than just making them pretty on the outside. I only wish I had the money you have to buy 1/4 of what’s in that picture.

Thank you

Luckily I bought just about all of these before prices went way up. Just about all were bought while both shops were still producing guns.

December 13, 2022, 07:56 AM

Pipe Smoker

I wanna see bac’s gun safe.

December 13, 2022, 09:00 AM

HRK

quote:
Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
I wanna see bac’s gun safe.

December 13, 2022, 09:20 AM

colt_saa

For folks that have owned and fired all of those the answer is easy.

Smith & Wesson Model 52 takes first place. As long as the shooter does his part, the Model 52 puts projectiles through one hole

Any of the 3 variations of the Model 845 takes second place. This pistol is more of a successor to the Model 52 performance than the Model 952 will ever be. The 952 is a beautiful firearm and a great visual child of the Model 52

Third place is a bit tougher as the 5906 PPC, 3566 Limited, X6 in either chambering, P229 Sport, P220 Sport, P210 are all close enough to be a tie. It would take lots of time and a Ransom Rest to come to a good conclusion. The older P210s might have the accuracy edge by just a little. Looks wise, some of the X6 pistols are very appealing. I wish I had one of the Blue Moons.

While the 3566 Limited falls into the third place tie for performance, visually it is one of the best looking pistols ever to come out of the Performance Center. SIG tried to copy the look 20 years later with the X5 abd X6 Black and White

December 13, 2022, 09:29 AM

Ronin101

I just want you to know that I am available for adoption!!!!

December 13, 2022, 11:33 AM

patw

What are the top x3 pistols?

December 13, 2022, 02:27 PM

92fstech

I'd love to see the results of that test...you should definitely do it and post them all up with the targets!

December 14, 2022, 07:05 AM

bac1023

quote:
Originally posted by colt_saa:
For folks that have owned and fired all of those the answer is easy.

Smith & Wesson Model 52 takes first place. As long as the shooter does his part, the Model 52 puts projectiles through one hole

Any of the 3 variations of the Model 845 takes second place. This pistol is more of a successor to the Model 52 performance than the Model 952 will ever be. The 952 is a beautiful firearm and a great visual child of the Model 52

Third place is a bit tougher as the 5906 PPC, 3566 Limited, X6 in either chambering, P229 Sport, P220 Sport, P210 are all close enough to be a tie. It would take lots of time and a Ransom Rest to come to a good conclusion. The older P210s might have the accuracy edge by just a little. Looks wise, some of the X6 pistols are very appealing. I wish I had one of the Blue Moons.

While the 3566 Limited falls into the third place tie for performance, visually it is one of the best looking pistols ever to come out of the Performance Center. SIG tried to copy the look 20 years later with the X5 abd X6 Black and White

Great assessment

I didn't include the 52, since its long before the Performance Center. I have a couple, including this mint no dash.

Having said that, I think its accuracy is also the result of the ammo it shoots as much as it is the gun itself.

Bullseye guns aren't my favorite, but I agree the 52 displays outstanding accuracy.

December 14, 2022, 08:12 AM

Jim Watson

quote:
Originally posted by bac1023:
Bullseye guns aren't my favorite, but I agree the 52 displays outstanding accuracy.

But when you start talking about accuracy, I am comparing with those bullseye guns.

Frex I have a couple of .22s, a M52, and a tight .45 that are accurate by that standard. The rest are what would ordinarily be called good but not in NRA Precision (bullseye.)

My Switzer P210-6 factory target has a flyer outside the 50mm at 50m standard. So what does that make it?

December 14, 2022, 08:45 AM

bac1023

quote:
Originally posted by Jim Watson:
quote:
Originally posted by bac1023:
Bullseye guns aren't my favorite, but I agree the 52 displays outstanding accuracy.

But when you start talking about accuracy, I am comparing with those bullseye guns.

Frex I have a couple of .22s, a M52, and a tight .45 that are accurate by that standard. The rest are what would ordinarily be called good but not in NRA Precision (bullseye.)

My Switzer P210-6 factory target has a flyer outside the 50mm at 50m standard. So what does that make it?

Bullseye guns are great if that’s your thing, Jim. I just find them boring, personally. Doesn’t mean they aren’t great pistols and awesome shooters. I just tend to enjoy a little more power and noise. Probably why I’m not much of a rimfire fan.

Most bullseye pistols have had a good deal of custom work done as well. Any bullseye 1911 was basically made that way by a custom smith. At least those that can compete with these factory guns for accuracy.

December 16, 2022, 04:01 PM

clang

The old S&W PC made some great guns. It's a shame they are no longer around, but the 3rd Gens are gone too. Anyway, here is my favorite PC gun. I didn't even own a .40 cal until I got this gun:

Does the Sig Master Shop do the same kind of stuff the old S&W PC used to do?

December 16, 2022, 04:05 PM

cas

I'll be "that guy", though my S&W Performance Center Auto experience is a sample size of one. So very scientific.

(was it called custom shop before that?)

Decades ago. A range patron had just gotten his now long forgotten model number S&W. (I think it was a 40?) Anyway he was SO blown away by it that he INSISTED I try it, no matter how much I tried to beg off. I finally gave in, fired a few rounds and tried to give it back. He insisted I finish the magazine. I did and gave it back with a polite (though vague) comments about it.

In my head I was thinking "Oh my god, if that's the custom shop, how bad are the regular ones?"
It rattled, the trigger was awful and no better accuracy than any "duty gun" of the time.
Every stock SIG I have ever fired, new, used, stock or worked over was better than that thing. lol So I hope the Mastershop would win easily.

I have handled and shot a few S&W PC revolvers. I'll be a double dick and say I was unimpressed by them as well. (don't get me wrong, I'm no S&W hater, I've owned 3 S&W autos and 15+ revolvers. (and no longer own any Sig))