Good Morning Everyone: After this weekend I have come across a number of individuals who have told me about their disappointment with SIG in discontinuing firearms and as well as the magazines, e.g., p250, p235. I am not that familiar with this issue since my SIG's are the 226 MK25 and M11-A1. However I have also noticed that the MPX 8" barrell version has been discontinued.

My question is that is buying the MPX K a good investment considering that SIG may discontinue that model as well as the magazines? Currently, the magazines for this firearm are somewhat pricey and I can only imagine how much more expensive they would become if the firearm was discontinued.

I bought a used CZ 83, 7.65MM, that uses 15 round magazines. CZ discontinued this gun in 2013 but they still sell the magazines for it and seem to have an ample supply in stock.

Any opinions would be appreciated because buying the MPX K with magazines, sites, and a Red Dot can involve an investment upwards near $3000 (I like to have 10 magazines for every firearm I purchase).

I really have the CZ Scorpion EVO S1 pistol but due to a 1.6 pound direct blowback, I find the recoil and pleasant and of only shot at once.

Thank you and have a nice day.

I never consider buying firearms for investment purpose. Buy them because I like them for whatever reasons that attract them to me in the first place.

If, for some reasons, they appreciate in the future, it's simply a bonus. If they depreciate, which is more likely the case, I will not lose any sleep over it.

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Originally posted by 12131:
I never consider buying firearms for investment purpose. Buy them because I like them for whatever reasons that attract them to me in the first place.

If, for some reasons, they appreciate in the future, it's simply a bonus. If they depreciate, which is more likely the case, I will not lose any sleep over it.

I am not thinking of the firearms appreciating but rather will the magazines and parts needed for any repairs be available in the future.

If you mean investment as in GTG functionality and reliability, then I say yes. By my own experiences it's a fine gun. I like that it shares a measure of commonality with the AR platform. Yes a comparable AR9 is less to build or even buy, but the MPX just has the look of a subgun. My QC10 AR9 just looks like an AR with a 33rd Glock 18 stick jutting out of its magwell at a weird (for an AR) angle. Plus it's had teething issues with regards to reliability. My 8" MPX has been spot-on reliable since Day One.

But if you mean investment as to some future financial return, well I'd say that the jury's still very much out on that. Unlike the storied MP5, the MPX doesn't have a lot of service history to build mystique around. Maybe one might find it in a video game or some such tomfoolery, but that's about it. Sure the Pentagon bought about 2000 MPXs but it's still not done anything of note to date in actual service. If and when the MPX gets some notoriety in real combat, maybe demand will overcome its ever increasing retail pricing and the gun will be coveted much like the MP5 platform is today. Then perhaps you would see a financially rewarding blip.

Maybe.

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Originally posted by soggy_spinout:
Then perhaps you would see a financially rewarding blip.

Maybe.

But only if you kept it unfired in the box, and what would be the fun in that.

Investment?


When talking guns, unless its a full transferable automatics, or rare S&W or Colt firearm, it ain’t an investment.

It’s just another excuse to own something you want.

I'm not sure he means investment in that way.
I liked the MCX but didn't buy one because I didn't think SIG would support it long term. I do, however, think that the MPX will be around for a long time and SIG will support it. I can't substantiate why I feel that way, but it's my gut feeling. I personally would invest in an MPX.

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Originally posted by MikeGLI:
I'm not sure he means investment in that way.
I liked the MCX but didn't buy one because I didn't think SIG would support it long term. I do, however, think that the MPX will be around for a long time and SIG will support it. I can't substantiate why I feel that way, but it's my gut feeling. I personally would invest in an MPX.

Thank you MikeGLT: Someone understands me in this World. You stated exactly what I was trying to convey. I am ambivalent about buying the MPX since I do not fully believe that sig will support the MPX for the long term.

Overall, I think this is a valid question.

I do not have much disposable income, and the Sigs I do have, I must confess, took a great deal of saving and scrounging and long-term layaways, so this is a valid concern given Sig's history of discontinuing models with no support for previous buyers. I think it's realistic to question Sig's history of discontinuing brands before throwing dollars down on the counter-top. I think this is another one of the small reasons why Glock and S&W continue to hold, and sometimes gain, ground against Sig in many facets of the marketplace.

I own a German P228 (1999) and a W. German P220 (1994). Both of these guns have internal extractors. Though I've never heard of one breaking, I fret about it because I shoot them both a great deal and finding replacement internal extractors is tough. Why would Sig discontinue producing this part when hundreds of thousands of these guns are still in service worldwide?

It doesn't make me regret my Sig purchases, but it will likely make me stick with only the most popular models, when I'd also like to have a P227 or P225-A1, but I just don't want to take the risk of investing $2000 hard-earned dollars into guns that I worry won't be supported in 3 years.

I sure understand the OP's concern, even if these guns aren't collectibles.

When I think of long term weapon supportability, the only ones I have confidence in are ARs, AKs, Glocks, and 1911s.

I have zero faith in SIG supporting anything longer than they have to. Look at how they dropped the P239 with zero warning.

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Why would Sig discontinue producing this part when hundreds of thousands of these guns are still in service worldwide?

Because there is no profit in it.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Why would Sig discontinue producing this part when hundreds of thousands of these guns are still in service worldwide?

Because there is no profit in it.

Yeah, that is pretty easy to see.

If SIG went under tomorrow and went out of business, I would just start shooting a Beretta. If Beretta went under, I'd start shooting an HK. Maybe it is because I am more worried about shooting than about the tool by which I get there.

Buy what you want. Or don't. This hand wringing makes no sense.

Every Mfg. of any product should provide a reasonable period of parts availability after they discontinue a product. Can you image the mess if an auto mfg. won't sell you parts 5 years after you bought a car. The same is true for guns and Sig has not been very good about it. In fact they have been terrible. I'm not asking that they produce parts forever, but whenever you discontinue a product you should have some period where purchasers can get the consumable parts. They should even announce it. I actually don't care too much if the period is pretty darn short (like a year), but it simply cannot be none. There are lots of people who have figured this out and make good money getting people to buy spares at end of life. And lastly SIG has offered a limited lifetime warranty for awhile so they clearly have the ability to get parts, so why not make those available for purchase.

Again, there isn’t any money in that kind of service - 95% of shooters never maintain their weapons or shoot them enough to warrant much preventative maintenance.

Even LE Agencies just get sold the new hotnesses every 3-10 years from Glock, S&W, etc and sell off or trade in their old guns.

Personally, if it’s a weapon I want to maintain for a long time, I buy a lot of spare parts. My example is FN SCARs. Aside from the Upper receiver and barrel, I own every replacement part for that weapon, because I own two SBRed SCARs. They likely wont be discontinued anytime soon but legislation could impact importing foreign weapons / parts (hypothetical if the Leftists take over) and FN is just slow as frack shipping parts. Same with my Bereta 87 22LR. I have lots of stupid springs, parts, do-hickeys to keep it running for a long time.

Same with Glocks and ARs. I could likely build 2-3 ARs with parts I have around - Glocks I’m short on frames but I’m of the opinion to just have a couple of spare G19s instead of deep diving on those.

Anyway, that’s my take on it. If you expect a firearm company to keep spares in stock for you, expect to be disappointed eventually.

I own a Sig556xi no longer made nor supported but with said I like that rifle, it's comfortable to shoot. Shooters are never an investment, unfired Colt Single Actions are. Chris

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Originally posted by SSAreGreat:
I am ambivalent about buying the MPX since I do not fully believe that sig will support the MPX for the long term.

Sig doesn't really support the Gen 1 MPX now. I bought one anyway.

Sig's grand promise with change kits and all the features never materialized, and the Gen 1 and Gen 2 mags aren't compatible; Sig seems to support the Gen 2, but Gen 1 feels like something they just wish would go away.

Now I rate/recommend firearms companies in pairs based on multiple factors but customer service and longevity being important.

S&W M&P and Glock

SIG (226, 229, & M11-A1) & Beretta (PX4 & 92)

HK, CZ, & FN

Ruger (Rimfire, Revolvers, & Rifles)

My 226 (range) and my M11-A1 (CC) are working well for me and thus, currently these are my two primary handguns. I have some Rugers LCR in 22 WMR that I carry as back-up and a few other purposes.

All being said I still want an MPX K since there are only a few other items out there like it and it does have many advantages. The question I must ponder is will I make the purchase. Ah Decisions, Decisions, Decisions!!!

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Originally posted by Fenris:

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Originally posted by soggy_spinout:
Then perhaps you would see a financially rewarding blip.

Maybe.

But only if you kept it unfired in the box, and what would be the fun in that.

Nah, SIG marketing just needs to get it put into enough generations of Call Of Duty and Battlefield and it'll be a rock star just like the MP5 is in reality. Prices will most def follow an' will go up fer sure..

Units sold is what I look at. We don't know this number as they are a private company, but we can guess.

The scorpion has a much bigger aftermarket presence than the MPX does IMO. Given the cost of the MPX and its magazines compared to the Scorpion, this doesn't surprise me.

I SBR'd a Sig 556 and have learned my lesson. Sig has ADD lately and I won't put my money down on one of their guns if I plan to keep it long term. I bought a Scorpion and SBR'd it when I wanted a SBR in 9mm. I would have never even considered the MPX for a tax stamp.