The threads on P320 safety (such as this recent one) https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...35/m/7020040415/p/10 have got me wondering.

Would you rather install a trigger with a safety feature like the Glock has, install a Sig manual safety for the standard Sig trigger, or leave the FCU as it is?

The P320 is carried to protect a large church congregation.

Honestly, I’d just carry some other gun that doesn’t have the problem.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...930023515#5930023515

This is the easiest way to fix the problem.

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Originally posted by 4MUL8R:
Would you rather install a trigger with a safety feature like the Glock has, install a Sig manual safety for the standard Sig trigger, or leave the FCU as it is?

First, there's no trigger safety available for the P320. There used to be a company that offered an aftermarket one, but it's no longer in production.

Next, you cannot install a manual safety onto your P320 without either sending your FCU off for serious modification to someone with the experience and tooling to do so, or otherwise just buying a new FCU with a safety.

Finally, this is all moot, because both a trigger safety and the factory manual safety merely block the P320's trigger from moving. If the sear on a few P320s is somehow dropping uncommanded without trigger input as some posit, neither of those mechanical safeties would prevent that as they do not block the sear from moving.

If you trust your P320, leave the FCU as it is.

If you don't trust your P320, carry something else. If you want to stay with Sig, the P365's manual safety blocks the sear from moving, and a P365 XMacro is roughly analogous in size and capabilities to a P320 Compact. Otherwise, there's a whole wide world of striker-fired polymer framed pistols out there from other manufacturers that aren't P320s and don't have the surrounding furor.

Trade it on a P320 with a safety, or a Glock if it really concerns you or the church that you have it.

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Originally posted by HRK:
Trade it on a P320 with a safety, or a Glock if it really concerns you or the church that you have it.

The post above explains why that is a waste of time.

I've mitigated the issue by OWB instead of appendix carrying my P320. It's more comfortable that way anyhow.

There are other guns I'd rather point at my junk, but the P320 has the best trigger for hitting stuff I actually want to.

Just get a Walther PDP, much better trigger.

At this point, absent a confirmed problem or any guidance from Sig, my approach is to make sure the gun is properly maintained and functioning as designed. That doesn't protect me from the gun NOT functioning as designed, but at least I'm doing everything I can to ensure that all of the redundant safeties are doing their thing.

Any time I have the slide off for cleaning, I check the striker safety block and make sure it's working. I also make sure the safety block and striker rebound freely and reset when released.

With the slide still off I also have used a flashlight to look at my sear springs and ensure that they are properly oriented under the sear and not crossed, missing, or broken. I check for any damage or abnormal wear on the sear surfaces, and confirm there's normal spring tension and that it and the safety lever react appropriately to a trigger pull.

Once the gun is re-assembled, perform all the basic function tests:

With the slide forward, insert an empty magazine.

Pull on the magazine to make sure it is fully seated.

Rack the slide to the rear and confirm that the slide catch engages and locks it open.

Press the mag release and make sure the mag drops free.

Pull back on the side and confirm that the slide catch disengages freely on it's own.

Point the gun in a safe direction and pull the trigger, and hold it to the rear. You should hear and feel the striker drop.

Cycle the slide again and release the trigger. You should hear and feel it reset. You can pull it again to confirm.

Pull the slide partially to the rear and hold it while you pull the trigger. This should engage the disconnector and you should have a dead trigger. Once the slide is released and returns to battery, the trigger should work normally.


I've gotten into the habit of checking all of those things regularly on whatever I gun I carry, be it a P320 or not. Probably not a bad habit either way.

But you could also do the thing that I do when I'm on my own time and can carry whatever I want: Carry a DA/SA P229.

It seems pretty obvious that the incidence of this happening is exceedingly rare...that being said, there are a lot of other polymer guns that will do everything that the 320 does (except fire uncommanded )

If it were me, I'd trade the thing in and get something without this kind of history. Doesn't mean that the next model won't ever be a problem but I'd worry less until then. And sleep better.

JMO...mike

Yes, these incidents can only be described as rare, but if you're concerned about it happening with your pistol(s), the answer is to use something else- a Glock or a PDP.

Personally, I’m risk adverse when it comes to gun safety. I ditched the P320 a few years ago and went back to Glock.

I find a G19 Gen 5 more accurate than a P320 XCompact also. Win/win

And more reliable.

I wouldn't be comfortable with it, either. If we could ever establish beyond a reasonable doubt the source of the issue...

Thank you one and all. I'll change sidearm to my classic P229 Legion in 357 Sig DA/SA or my P365 X Comp.

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Originally posted by 4MUL8R:
The threads on P320 safety (such as this recent one) https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...35/m/7020040415/p/10 have got me wondering.

Would you rather install a trigger with a safety feature like the Glock has, install a Sig manual safety for the standard Sig trigger, or leave the FCU as it is?

The P320 is carried to protect a large church congregation.

That type of trigger is for drop safety concerns. Any foreign object that interacts with the trigger unintentionally stands a chance of disengaging the dingus (hence Glock-leg). The inertia of the trigger is halted by the dingus in the even of a drop. (At least this is my understanding)

Drop safety concerns have already been addressed by Sig with their voluntary recall program.

Until we find a smoking gun (pun intended) that points to an uncommanded discharge that is not the cause of a drop, "blunt force trauma," aftermarket tolerance stacking, foreign objects, bad holster design, or human error then anything we say to do is purely speculation.

I would offer this - If you don't feel safe then don't carry it or like others have suggested - trade it in for something you do feel safe with.

I'm not convinced that there's a problem yet but I'm not going to shout anyone down for not feeling safe. We feel how we feel.

Treat the firearm with the respect it deserves.
Only carry what you feel comfortable carrying.

Agency Arms sells a P320 trigger with a safety.



https://www.agencyarms.com/pro...ble-drop-in-trigger/

I’d say that adding an aftermarket trigger to a problem, if it actually exists, is a horrible idea.

I’m sure SIG is no different than Glock from the perspective that if there is an issue, and there’s an aftermarket part installed, the company will wash its hands of the issue and ask for a summery judgement on their part. Glock preaches as much in their armorers course.

I see how this replacement could be misinterpreted by any agency or court. "Wait, you knew the pistol was potentially defective, so you fixed it yourself?"

All the more reason to move to the P229 or P365, which I currently have, OR to rejoin the Glock Owners Club. I've had a 17, 19, 34, 36, and 34 again.

If I may add to the already very comprehensive list of pre use checks, make sure that the sear notch and the striker extension that engages the sear notch are clean and dry and do not use oil or grease on these parts.

Dirt, oil or grease in these areas can decrease the striker/sear engagement.

I have been shooting my P320s for over 9 years now with no issues.

Or, we could just go with:
"Iz gun, iz not safe."