So I’ve been a collector and shooter for many decades and have always leaned toward HK and Sig, and such. I’ve never taken on anything from Beretta.
I recently saw a match where some guy was shooting some flavor of Beretta 9x pistol. I don’t know the specific model or what loads he was shooting, but there appeared to be no recoil at all. Only pistols like my CZ TSO, and a few others, shoot like that.
It is high time I dip my toe into the Beretta pool. I’ve decided on some sort of Beretta 9x series pistol. But which one? Money is not really a problem. I’ve been looking at the 92X Performance Defensive, but want to know if there is something else I should be looking at.
I'm looking for light recoil, 9mm, insane accuracy, and don't care about price.
So which Beretta pistol? Your thoughts?
I have three,
87T 22l that I love. It is as accurate as I could hope for. A lot of people bitch about the trigger, but to me it is just fine. I added the wood grips and bought 8 more mags for it.
92C, reverse two-tone that I put together. I love the looks and feel for normal everyday carry. It is not a G model, but a standard da/sa with safety. LTT trigger and parts kit, stock beretta threaded barrel, ltt grips. It is cake to put something like this together. No harder than assembling a p228/226/220 from a bare frame.
My most recent is the 92x Performance. It's aggressive. It is flat shooting, but honestly, it does not group as well as my 92c above. It also tends to have a less smooth trigger pull, but I did work over the LTT trigger bar a second time by hand with 4k wet paper. It is not as smooth recoil or handling-wise as my CZ TSO, nor my X5 AO and X5 L1. I put it on par with my HK USP expert.
So to answer your question, my suggestion is pick up a Langdon Tactical LTT in whatever flavor you want. Black on black, reverse two tone, 92, or 92c.
The 92X would fit the bill perfectly. Everything you need in a Beretta and nothing you don't. It was about time Beretta finally stepped up to the plate and made a gun with things it should have had years ago- front sight removal, rail, ability to swap a rounded grip like a 92fs or a Vector flat back grip, among a few to list.
I would suggest that you buy from Langdon as he makes the triggers very smooth. Either the LTT or the stainless 92X Performance.
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Damn, where to start.
Put a Beretta 92 series and 147gr bullets together and recoil and muzzle rise become almost nonexistent.
Berettas absorb everything well from a recoil standpoint, but really shines with 147gr. rounds.
I've also found that my Berettas seem to favor the 147gr round as well from an accuracy standpoint.
Honestly, even a bone-stock 92 will be accurate, but I find they're slightly more accurate with 147gr bullets - and a little trigger work. I'm a big trigger snob.
Personally, I think there is just something old school John McClane/Martin Riggs cool about a straight dust cover 92.
(Factory 92G with Elite II hammer, extended mag release, and trigger job.)
That being said...Wilson Combat and Ernie Langdon turn out some awesome 92s.
Wilson Combat Centurion Tactical. (Personally I think this is the sweet spot from a balance and handling standpoint - Compact Slide and Full Size grip.)
LTT, in my opinion, holds a slight edge over WC.
I find LTT's grips just slightly thinner than Wilson's, plus I like the front cocking serrations, beveled edges, and the cut/crowned barrel. (Along with everything else done it it.)
Mandatory upgrades for all my Berettas are (if not done so already): LTT TJIAB or spring changes, extended mag release, convert to "G"/decock only, WC U-notch rear and LTT thin grips
I haven't played with the 92X series yet, but it does check a lot of boxes.
If I did it all over again, I'd probably pick-up a LTT Centurion, followed by WC.
Even stock Berettas are easy to mod, and still relatively inexpensive.
Couple of pics... cause everyone need a little Beretta porn on a Friday!
Competition Gun: M91A with a few mods...
Night Stand Gun: 92A1 with a few mods...
Baby Beretta - just cause - with a few mods...
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The Vertec enhancements that come on the 92X series make it quite desirable and these pistols are easy to “tune” yourself, Langdon TJIAB I prefer The 92X Compact G variants which leave you only to decide wether you want a rail or not? Recoil is not an issue & they are accurate enough. What’s your budget? I can’t argue the LTT suggestions. WC Berettas are nice but between them & the LTT, I like the LTT better.
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The classic 22, with a suppressor.
I forget which model (82, maybe).
So timeless and sexy.
I carry an LTT elite centurion, with carry bevel.
The only Beretta I currently own is a M9-22 but handled a new full size 92X in my local fun store today and it was hard not to take it home.
My choice is Wilson Combat 92G Brigadier Tactical.
I've owned a couple different variations of the 92 series, but none of them really stood out until I picked up a mint used Wilson Combat 92G Vertec Centurion Tactical.
Sometimes, you gotta roll the hard six
Any Wilson Combat Beretta with the action tune or the Langdon with their trigger job. All are fantastic pistols
The compact ( not really that compact) is nice.
Let me give you a little bit more of an idea of what I want, than I did in my original post.
I’m looking for the modern Rolls Royce of the Beretta 9x pistol line. So far, that looks like a steel frame 92X Performance Defensive, with an LTT TJIAB (Trigger job In a Box??)
I want a full size, easy to mod pistol, more accurate than me. I will not be carrying this pistol. It is purely for the joy of shooting steels on those warm summer days we all love.
As far as working on this pistol, I can detail strip, clean, polish, lube and reassemble a 1911 pistol and a piston/pushrod driven AR15 pattern rifle without too much difficulty, so I am hoping my skill would be up to the tasks needed to work on a Beretta 92.
Price is not an issue, although nobody wants to spend more than they have too. From what I’m seeing, it looks like I’m spending $1400, or so.
Any other thoughts? What other suggestions do you have for me?
Had a feeling
LTT Elite with LTT machined slide for RMR.
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So the performance model it is then. Your skill level is commensurate with what is required to Mod a Beretta :-)
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I recently acquired a NIB 92C off GB and it fits well with the Cheetahs I own. Definitely a premium pistol in quality, finish, and reliability. Plus they have my initials on the walnut grips! I will Convert to a G Decock only but I don't think it needs any work on the factory trigger. Definitely a bit more accurate than my 225s.
The first pistol I ever owned (circa 1993) was a Beretta 96 in 40S&W. I got out of that caliber about a decade ago, but I put together this massively upgraded vintage (1994) Beretta 92 FS Centurion.
WC ultra thin grips, extended mag release, Allegheny drilled out and replaced the front sight with an LED and I added a WC rear blacked-out sight, and CCR refinished it. Oh, and I installed a Langdon Trigger job in a bag myself, so the SA/DA is amazing.
I still say classic LTT for a number of reasons. First while the 92x P has a much better trigger than stock, LTT's work is still noticeable on his guns.
Second the LTT balance wether compact like my 92c or full size is still better than the 92x performance.
While I have not had issues with extraction or feeding my 92x P, it isn't as accurate as I would expect. Nor does it reliably cycle most 115 grain ammo. I have to down load the mags by 4 or five rounds. After nearly 1200 rounds through it, it still has not kicked this habit. I can easily beat its groups with my ruger p85 MKII. Yeah, every 3rd or fourth round is a noticeable flier. In inspecting the rounds at my home range it almost peels the jackets off. It does not matter 115, 124, 147. The only ammo I have not tried yet is the federal syntec poly-coated crap.
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I believe this is the reason why my accuracy is sub-par. My stock 92c before I tuned it and replaced the barrel shot significantly tighter groups.
My 92c while not a LTT was modeled off LTT/PGT's build.
If I had the money again, and it is on the list, I would simply buy the NP3 LTT in reverse two tone. I think I would be more than happy with it. For me, the 92x is the least of my +1k guns, and honestly barely on par with a few of my sub 1k guns as far as accuracy.
As I have said, I have a TSO, X5 AO and L1, USP tac, USP exp, MK23, DW guardian, DW VBOB, BHP x2, among others. It simply is a disappointment.
Edit, in typing this up I remembered my last few sessions with my 92xp. Other than a few weeks ago, those sessions were may/jun 2020. While it is a visually striking pistol mine is flawed in a number of ways. Until two weeks ago I had not shot it in as much as a year. I was somewhat disappointed by its accuracy two weeks ago but did not have the time to run down that thought process. In writing this, well, mine does have some problems.
It won't reliably cycle the slide all the way to the rear with 115grn ammo. (federal, norma, tula, cci, speer, you name it.) It's 70% of the time that it will eject and pick up a new round, but that 25 to 30% is annoying as hell.
Another problem I don't normally load my magazines to full when practicing at the range, and with this one, I cannot. If I do, 15 or 17 rounds it will not strip the round from the magazine. I have to download the mags by as much as 3 or 4 rounds.
So, Now that i have thought it through, i detailed its faults in an email to Beretta, and it will be going back.
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