The P322 is unfortunately a no/go for us here nowadays; its threaded barrel now officially makes it "vile, evil and illegal" . Customers who bought it prior to the law changes back in April of this year have voiced a mixed bag of results. Many say great, others not so much. I like that it reminds me of the P365 family, particularly the largest of the bunch Macro. But unless SIG builds a compliant version, it's now just a lot of wishful thinking.

At least FN still has a FN502 version that plays nice with current WA laws. A coworker has the non-compliant Tactical version and has in the past raved about how reliable it's been. Customers who own it have been fairly uniform in their praise as well; only one or two that I know of have had some issues with theirs.

Has the G44 improved from its early production days when it developed a rep for being infamously ammo picky? I stopped paying attention after all of the claims of it being a jam-o-matic. Regardless, I really kinda wish Glock had built a G17 or G45-based version of it instead. As I said in the G49 thread, I really don't like the backstrap bump on the Gen5 compact frames.

From where I'm seated with my bag of popcorn in hand, the CZ Kadet--either as a complete standalone or as a kit conversion--is still to me the best of the bunch.

The CZ Kadet is not easy to find and more twice the cost of what I paid for my P322 and just for the upper. I would also need to purchase an CZ pistol as the host for the 22lr conversion kit. Are they even in production anymore?

I could buy an FN and Sig for what the CZ Kadet is going for on Gunbroker. The mags are also a bit of a disappointment as they only hold 10 rounds.

Threaded barrel?

My first hit with Google:



Looks ideal for a "trainer."

-- Chuck

The problem with most of these things is their plastic and non-ferrous construction that makes them come in a lot lighter than any centerfire equivalent. My Plastic M&P .22 Compact feels close enough to a Shield Plus but its flea weight construction means it does not get out as often as I had thought

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I do not consider 22s to be tactical trainers. With out the recoil pulse of your carry firearm, follow up shots are totally different (unless a 22 is your carry gun).

Which is why when shooting ACE, Nelson, or Kadet full size .22s, I do not "double tap" I have multiple targets or the body and head box of an IDPA target so I shoot one and transition. It helps disguise the lack of recoil. I also usually finish a small bore session with some centerfire so as to remind me of recoil control.

Repetition is the key to learning.

I imagine everyone here is capable of putting a round center of mass in an E-silhouette at 15 yards provided we can (1) get the pistol out of the holster with a good grip, (2) while at the same time manipulate the pistol's controls especially any external safety, and (3) after all this put the sights on target and send it. #3 is the easy part.

Endless "practicing" of #3 is what I see most guys do at the range and I submit that the time practicing this easily achieved skill is wasted if #1 and #2 are ignored and thus not achieved. Two-way ranges have different standards.

Most of us are already competent with #3. The P322 is specifically an excellent tool to build the repetitive skills for #1 and #2 with SIG pistols.

If you can't shoot .22 consider airsoft. Airsoft replicas like the SIG Air Proforce/M18 can execute thousands of repetitions for #1 and #2 for pennies in your backyard, garage, or basement. Then take those skills to the range with service ammunition and note how quickly you can put that first round on target.

"Most people would rather pretend."

-- Chuck

I really like my PPQ 22 and S&W M&P 15-22.

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Threaded barrel?

Yup, even if it doesn't look like it. Right now all P322s have threaded barrels; with the pistol there's an included extension adapter that attaches to the barrel itself that is proud of the slide end and allows any 1/2" x 28 threaded muzzle device to actually attach. So per WA state law, that makes the P322 not legal for sale in this state.

Since I don't have a P322, a substitute will have to do. My version of the Laugo Alien (also no longer legal for sale in WA) is set up in the same sort of way; a threaded barrel that more or less flushes with muzzle end of the frame. As it is, it's impossible to attach anything to the barrel but with an adapter (naturally, an extra cost accessory) then a can or compensator can be attached.

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Originally posted by stickman428:
The CZ Kadet is not easy to find and more twice the cost of what I paid for my P322 and just for the upper. I would also need to purchase an CZ pistol as the host for the 22lr conversion kit. Are they even in production anymore?

I could buy an FN and Sig for what the CZ Kadet is going for on Gunbroker. The mags are also a bit of a disappointment as they only hold 10 rounds.

All valid points about the CZ. And it's true, the standalone pistol was discontinued about a decade ago, I believe. But the premise was about what folks thought is the best, was it not?

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Originally posted by monoblok:

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Originally posted by stickman428:
The CZ Kadet is not easy to find and more twice the cost of what I paid for my P322 and just for the upper. I would also need to purchase an CZ pistol as the host for the 22lr conversion kit. Are they even in production anymore?

I could buy an FN and Sig for what the CZ Kadet is going for on Gunbroker. The mags are also a bit of a disappointment as they only hold 10 rounds.

All valid points about the CZ. And it's true, the standalone pistol was discontinued about a decade ago, I believe. But the premise was about what folks thought is the best, was it not?

It is a goal of mine to source one and put it up against the current market offerings. I belive you might be right.

Mono - That is one beautiful pistol. Thanks for sharing. Now I want one.