June 06, 2020, 12:03 AM
monoblokSig GMBH, Eckernforde Closes its doors.
Now that the shock has worn off a bit...
I could be wrong--as I too often am--but wasn't there a discussion a while back where there had been a report (or at least a rumor) that SIG NH had offered to relocate staff from the German operations to the U.S.? If any of that was true, then the groundwork for potentially shuttering the DE operations may have already been in the works even back then. Considering that SIG DE was denied access to the most lucrative
civilian commercial market by its own government, it's not hard to imagine that this part of L&O Holdings wasn't paying its way, which from the info gleaned from these news posting seems to be making the case.
I don't remember exactly when this discussion occurred, or even if it was here on this forum. But it was during the time when my old soggy_spinout account was still intact and active.
June 06, 2020, 01:18 AM
12131quote:
Originally posted by monoblok:
--but wasn't there a discussion a while back where there had been a report (or at least a rumor) that SIG NH had offered to relocate staff from the German operations to the U.S.?
Totally unsubstantiated rumor.
June 06, 2020, 04:24 AM
ziggy308They will move operations to another country. The x-5 sell like hot cakes in the USA and they were piss that the ban was not lifted.
June 06, 2020, 07:37 AM
Graniteguyquote:
Originally posted by ziggy308:
They will move operations to another country. The x-5 sell like hot cakes in the USA and they were piss that the ban was not lifted.
Yes, I could see machinery and Ops being shifted over to Swiss Arms or a similar subsidiary.
June 06, 2020, 08:17 AM
12131quote:
Originally posted by Graniteguy:
quote:
Originally posted by ziggy308:
They will move operations to another country. The x-5 sell like hot cakes in the USA and they were piss that the ban was not lifted.
Yes, I could see machinery and Ops being shifted over to Swiss Arms or a similar subsidiary.
You know, the recent name change from Swiss Arms to SIG SAUER might not be just a coincidence, I think.
June 06, 2020, 08:45 AM
monoblokquote:
Originally posted by 12131:
quote:
Originally posted by monoblok:
--but wasn't there a discussion a while back where there had been a report (or at least a rumor) that SIG NH had offered to relocate staff from the German operations to the U.S.?
Totally unsubstantiated rumor.
Thanks for the clarification.
June 06, 2020, 10:06 AM
Modern Day Savagequote:
Originally posted by 12131:
You know, the recent name change from Swiss Arms to SIG SAUER might not be just a coincidence, I think.
Along with the corporate name change and website change, they also changed their phone number.
New Sig Sauer AG corporate name & websiteJune 06, 2020, 04:56 PM
MarkKquote:
Originally posted by T.Webb:
I already know that Sig Arms is the Swiss company, J.P.Sauer is the German company and Sig Sauer is the collaboration that allowed the Swiss company to sell guns to the German military and Police. (Or something like that).
Yes. AFAIK: The Schweizerische Industriegesellschaft (SIG) in Neuhausen am Rheinfall in the mid-1970s had the P75 project (successor of the P210 duty pistol).
Due to swiss export regulations, and higher labor cost compared to Germany, they formed the collaboration with Sauer & Sons (in Eckernfoerde, northern Germany, at the baltic sea; Sauer had been an arms manufacturer in Suhl, Thuringia, since 1751).
They became SIG Sauer and produced the P75, civilian model name P220, that became the nucleus of the P22xx "family" (P225 and 226 followed).
SIG Sauer DE (Germany) in Eckernfoerde today is part of the Lüke & Ortmeier Group. They also own Sauer/Mauser/Blaser (hunting rifles) located in Isny, South Germany (and not affected by the Eckernfoerde closedown).
June 06, 2020, 09:36 PM
FundmanSIG and JP Sauer & Sohn jointly created SIG Sauer GmbH. In 2000 Lüke & Ortmeier Group purchased SIG Sauer GmbH, JP Sauer, and the US operation which at the time was known as SIGARMS. The SIG part of SIG Sauer GmbH when L&O took over was renamed Swiss Arms AG (and now is called SIG Sauer AG). The actual SIG company has nothing to do with the current SIG Sauer or any firearms manufacturing since 2000.
June 07, 2020, 04:09 AM
MarkKquote:
The actual SIG company has nothing to do with the current SIG Sauer or any firearms manufacturing since 2000.
They are "SIG Combibloc" today and manufacture packaging machines (production and filling machines for Tetra-Pak).
S.A.N. (Swiss Arms Neuhausen) is the actual arms and arms parts manufacturer in Neuhausen (swiss Kanton Schaffhausen near the german border).
June 07, 2020, 03:30 PM
FundmanSAN (also called Swiss Arms) changed their name to SIG SAUER AG in 2019. But they have been owned by L&O since 2000. The latest name change was part of the effort to unify the branding.
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Originally posted by MarkK:
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The actual SIG company has nothing to do with the current SIG Sauer or any firearms manufacturing since 2000.
They are "SIG Combibloc" today and manufacture packaging machines (production and filling machines for Tetra-Pak).
S.A.N. (Swiss Arms Neuhausen) is the actual arms and arms parts manufacturer in Neuhausen (swiss Kanton Schaffhausen near the german border).
June 07, 2020, 06:08 PM
BroadsideSo whatever their name is, can they legally manufacture and export firearms from Switzerland to the United States?
I don't think Sig Sauer U.S. has the bandwith to focus on low volume firearms. I could not see them starting to manufacture Sig Master series or any other type of Classic P-series handguns.
June 07, 2020, 07:21 PM
SigSentryquote:
Originally posted by DSgrouse:
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten...Mnx5KWuKfjEFHPd5sc6QTranslation
quote:
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...Illegal arms deliveries to Colombia
In recent years, Sig Sauer has been in the headlines for illegal arms deliveries to Colombia. In the meantime, three former managers were sentenced to suspended sentences in 2019 . You were in the process of being responsible for delivering nearly 50,000 SP 2022 pistols from Germany to a sister company in the United States between 2009 and 2011. More than 38,000 of these weapons were resold to Colombia - a violation of the German foreign trade and war weapons control law.
New investigation by the prosecutor
According to the Kiel public prosecutor's office, investigations have been initiated again because Sig Sauer weapons allegedly produced in Eckernförde have appeared in countries to which they should not have been delivered from Germany - specifically to Mexico . It is currently being investigated against unknowns.
A pistol with a past. "Contract overrun" now seems suspicious?
June 07, 2020, 07:37 PM
12131quote:
Originally posted by Broadside:
So whatever their name is, can they legally manufacture and export firearms from Switzerland to the United States?
JDI imports guns from SWISS ARMS AG (now SIG SAUER AG). So, logically, one would think there are nothing different now, except the name.