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Originally posted by joel9507:
I wonder what fraction of the German operations are affected by this? Is this all of their German production, one site out of many, or?

SIG Sauer in Eckernförde is SIG Sauer DE. Once it's closed, SIG DE is no longer.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
If this completely shuts down operations in Germany, can SIG US (assuming it has the funds and inclination) open up a satellite operation of its own there? As others have pointed out, there's a lot of good resources collected there.

Why would SIG USA want to do that? It's not like the firearm market there is huge like that in the US, and the German government is still trying to put Cohen in prison. A better proposition would be to make arrangements to move all the German machinery over here and train folks to make guns that SIG USA was not making.

That was the only German facility of Sig Sauer. The two men who own the holding company are German, but Sig is effectively an American operation at this point.

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Originally posted by joel9507:
I wonder what fraction of the German operations are affected by this? Is this all of their German production, one site out of many, or?

Anyone know if this impacts Blaser in Germany?

I just spoke with JDI and received no indication as to issues with their partner (sigsauer.swiss) It thus appears Sig Sauer AG in Switzerland is conducting business as usual at the following site:
Industrieplatz 1
Postfach 1071
CH-8212 Neuhausen am Rheinfall

The mastershop, based in Deutschland, appears to be the most significant victim as far as I’m concerned as many of the standard pistols can be obtained via Exeter.

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Originally posted by Dakor:
I just spoke with JDI and received no indication as to issues with their partner (sigsauer.swiss) It thus appears Sig Sauer AG in Switzerland is conducting business as usual at the following site:
Industrieplatz 1
Postfach 1071
CH-8212 Neuhausen am Rheinfall

When did SAN Swiss Arms AG change their name to SIG SAUER AG? Must have been this year some time.
Yes, it was.
http://www.sigsauer.swiss/en/about-us.php

That's interesting. Wonder why the change. Maybe OTD will have some info.

Sad to hear this. It is, of course, also a topic on german gun forums.

It seems SIG Sauer (DE)faces more and more economic problems, the domestic market (due to regulations) is small, and the company is not really "helped" by german politics (rather the opposite..).

So the complete shift to the US market and production, finally, is a consequent step.

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Originally posted by 12131:
Why would SIG USA want to do that? It's not like the firearm market there is huge like that in the US, and the German government is still trying to put Cohen in prison. A better proposition would be to make arrangements to move all the German machinery over here and train folks to make guns that SIG USA was not making.

My thought was that it was a shame to waste a pool of skilled people and the opportunity to sell into what I presumed was a European market from within the EU if the operation could be sized down to whatever extent was necessary and still remain viable. It's not like Cohen would have to go over and run it in person.

Of course, if Germany wants to encourage the transfer of skills, machinery and capital to us, then who am I to argue? I'm sure SIG US would be happy to ship guns to Germany.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
I'm sure SIG US would be happy to ship guns to Germany.

I'm sure that precisely this will happen.

And it can be imgined that some day in the future (though this is not the question right now) Heckler & Koch in Oberndorf/Neckar will go the same way.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

Wow. I had heard about Colombia, but not Iran.

Here is a screenshot he sent me:



It mentions three ex-managers, but i don't see Iran mentioned and it is only one page, apparently a follow up to previous reports?

i can see Sig USA buying the parts, I don't think they will transfer people, or build the guns in the same manner here.

Help me understand the difference between Sig Germany and Sig USA? Are they two completely separate companies?

Pretty much the split happened a while ago.

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Of course, if Germany wants to encourage the transfer of skills, machinery and capital to us, then who am I to argue? I'm sure SIG US would be happy to ship guns to Germany.

Fuck that! Bringing them to the US would be a waste of time. We already did that and we got all kinds of half-assed quasi-SIG products via. SIG Sauer USA.

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And it can be imgined that some day in the future (though this is not the question right now) Heckler & Koch in Oberndorf/Neckar will go the same way.

No, HK isn't stupid enough to hire crooks and idiots to run the place... Right into the fucking ground.


I have the solution:


1) Since we're talking about 130 employees. It's not like Boeing or GE. So, just pack up all their shit and move to Switzerland. It's like moving from Colorado to Wyoming... Piece of cake.

2) Drop the Sauer branding and get back to their roots as "SIG". Swiss owned, Swiss manufactured.

3) Resume production of all the Mastershop guns and other desirable classic SIG pistols manufactured in Switzerland as GOD intended.

5) Send Cohen to Germany to sweep out the floors of the Eckernförde facility after all the CNC machines have been relocated to Neuhausen.

Problem solved!!!

I'd like to emphasize... Cohen really should take a trip to Germany.

I did not see this until today. So very sad. Someone at work asked me what the big deal was? I responded that German Sigs are often cherished as very prized possessions.

Well, there's those pesky Swiss neutrality laws, which were why the German connection was made in the first place. As for HK, haven't they been in financial panic mode for at least the past few years? When those problems with the G36 kicked up, there were more than a few people wondering how long HK could stay in business.

Can someone in-the-know lay out the finer points?

I already know that Sig Arms is the Swiss company, J.P.Sauer is the German company and Sig Sauer is the collaboration that allowed the Swiss company to sell guns to the German military and Police. (Or something like that).

So, is Eckenforde a Swiss or German operation? And how is Sig Sauer USA affected?

German, and not at all. As has been mentioned above, they're all separate companies owned by the same holding company.

Surprising to see this earlier today. Probably cannot compete against Glock in Austria with the Classic series and the SigPro was mostly a flop. The P320 was probably too late to make much of a difference, and it sounds like exporting the design from the US is an ITAR issue.

HK needs to learn their lesson and focus on US civilian sales to generate volume that will allow economies of scale and more cost effective production. They seemed to learn that with the VP9 vs. the P30. But still they are not importing enough SP5's to meet demand and they are selling over list price.

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Originally posted by Belgian Blue:



No, HK isn't stupid enough to hire crooks and idiots to run the place... Right into the fucking ground.

Uh...I'm not sure if this is one of the times the sarcasm comes across or not. If it's not sarcasm...have you seen the financial news on them for the past few years?