For your viewing pleasure. Some of the points about the differences between the original Swiss version and the newer American version are interesting.



https://youtu.be/y4cS3xY2L-M

Owned a 210-6 years ago and it never failed to draw blood from my hand. I have two American P-210's one fixed sight and the other adjustable. I consider the new ones superior to the old ones.

Right at the start he said "the original Swiss p210 priced itself out of the market due to its extensive hand fitting...." which is wrong since it wasn't hand fitted. That's the beauty of how it's manufactured.

The P210 is an industrially produced pistol with a 100% parts replaceability. Neither the Swiss Army mor the shooting community would have accepted the pistol it would have been handfitted.

If an industrial product needs to be handfit, it´s either poorly desinged or there is a massif quality problem.

The high price of the P210 was artificial. SIG could aks for the price and the market was accepting it.

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I have two American P-210's one fixed sight and the other adjustable. I consider the new ones superior to the old ones.

Totally agree. Having shot the older Swiss P210's, they are fabulous guns but mag release was terrible and I did get pinched with the lack of beavertail. The American made 210's are hard to beat.

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Originally posted by OTD:
The P210 is an industrially produced pistol with a 100% parts replaceability. Neither the Swiss Army mor the shooting community would have accepted the pistol it would have been handfitted.

If an industrial product needs to be handfit, it´s either poorly desinged or there is a massif quality problem.

The high price of the P210 was artificial. SIG could aks for the price and the market was accepting it.

Please explain the adoption and then Swiss production of the P08 Luger when the early guns had all hand fitted parts.

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Originally posted by OTD:
The P210 is an industrially produced pistol with a 100% parts replaceability. Neither the Swiss Army mor the shooting community would have accepted the pistol it would have been handfitted.

Can't speak to the Swiss Army, but, as to the others, explain Staccato pistols:

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Staccato makes and fits all the components that make up their pistols. Slides are hand-fitted to lowers, ensuring tight tolerances and smooth operation.

Ref: Staccato: What to demand from your duty-weapon provider: Building a better firearm

Staccato pistols are widely-used by competitive shooters, and they have been seen in the wild carried by various LEOs.

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Originally posted by OTD:
If an industrial product needs to be handfit, it´s either poorly desinged or there is a massif quality problem.

There's "fit" and then there's "fit." Just because a final product is hand-fit doesn't mean parts are necessarily not generally interchangeable.

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Originally posted by OTD:
The high price of the P210 was artificial. SIG could aks for the price and the market was accepting it.

That may be true of the first point. I'd question the assumption in the second.

I love my Sig P210A Target. It's a close race between it, my Staccato R, and my Sig P229S (hand-fit by Sig's German master smiths) as to which is the smoothest, most-nicely fit pistol, but I likely would've been unwilling to spend much more than the $1,500 I did for it.

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Originally posted by p08:

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Originally posted by OTD:
The P210 is an industrially produced pistol with a 100% parts replaceability. Neither the Swiss Army mor the shooting community would have accepted the pistol it would have been handfitted.

If an industrial product needs to be handfit, it´s either poorly desinged or there is a massif quality problem.

The high price of the P210 was artificial. SIG could aks for the price and the market was accepting it.

Please explain the adoption and then Swiss production of the P08 Luger when the early guns had all hand fitted parts.

Why choosing the W+F 06/24? Between the introduction of the W+F 06/24 and the introduction of the P 210 lay 30 years in which design concepts and manufacturing technology changed.

I´m not so deep in production concepts WF-Bern introduced in 1918 when they start manufacturing the Parabellum 06 W+F (!) Documented criticisms were high cost of the side plate which was labor intense to produce. It´s rather a matter of it´s designed which has been resolved with in 1928 with the introduction of the prototype series of the W+F 06/29. W+F Bern was producing firearms for the Swiss army since the introduction of the Schmidt-Rubin pattern rifle and the Schmidt revolver 1882. They had 40 years to gather experience in producing exchangeable parts, so I have my doubts about hand fit parts of early WF 06/24 pistols if it was not for the pilot series of said pattern.

The Pistole 08 has not been manufactured in Switzerland. W+F tooling has been sold to Mauser after the war and it was used there to produce the post war Interarms Lugers. Could it be that you are refereeing to that pistol?

You might be better informed. Please share your knowledge.

You nailed it OTD. If we go back far enough in time, EVERYTHING was hand fitted. As you correctly pointed out, several decades passed from the time of the P08's departure until the P210 arrived. It only stands to reason that methods of manufacture, etc also advanced.

I’ve owned both and shot them extensively. Only a sample of two, I understand. In my average size hands I felt the 210-6 was streets ahead of the 210A. Just shoot it better. As for the magazine release, it doesn’t bother me. I got pretty efficient with reloading. Besides, I have a few 3rd series Woodsman with heel releases. I guess it comes down to what a prospective owner is going to do with one. I’ve no shame saying they’re expensive toys I absolutely enjoy. The 210A didn’t stay.

Thanks BBMW, I did find it interesting, appreciate you sharing it.