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Usually it's up to the gun maker to get their design to work properly with existing magazines, not the other way around. The way I see it, if your Vector isn't allowing Glock magazines to drop freely, that's on Kriss to make it right.

I have at least one of every generation of Glock mag, including two very early NFML Gen 1 17 mags that, when loaded, need to be ripped free from the gun, and even when empty, don’t exactly just pop free. Everything fully metal lined should drop free, and that’s just about every factory Glock mag you’re likely to buy, new or used, unless you’re in a ban state and somehow need to get your hands on the very first generation mags for capacity. I can also use every single one of those mags in either my Gen 2 19’s, or my Gen 4, because I didn’t flip the mag release to the right side of the gun. I also have plenty of KCI and ETS mags, and they drop free also, though I do notice some occasional sticking with the KCI’s.

Trust me when I say it ain’t the mags, it’s the gun. Soggy is 100% right.

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Originally posted by dwd1985:

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Originally posted by soggy_spinout:
Usually it's up to the gun maker to get their design to work properly with existing magazines, not the other way around. The way I see it, if your Vector isn't allowing Glock magazines to drop freely, that's on Kriss to make it right.

I agree, but you are somewhat reinforcing my point. There are 5 generations of Glock mags...which one was the Vector designed with in mind? If I go to Kriss and tell them I have an issue, they could easily claim that only a certain generation of Glock mags are supposed to work. So if I get some input from other owners, it might help me narrow it down and see if its truly an issue with the weapon, or a mag generation issue.

Well, if considering when the Vector first came to market I'd say it should've been designed around Gen3 and later magazines, not that earlier mags wouldn't work as well. Aside from the ambi mag catch recess, there's not much else that's different between Gen3 and Gen4 magazines (well, other than USA-made mags began showing up in later Gen4 production batches). And aside from the orange colored follower and the deeper forward protruding baseplate the Gen5 mag isn't all that different either.

If I remember correctly the 9mm version came out roughly two years after the 45AUTO version hit the market. So it was already well into Glock's Gen4 cycle by then. I would presume that a Gen2 9mm Vector would be in deeper still. Plus 9mm Gen3 magazines are pretty well retired as a production item; current production Gen3 Glocks usually ship with Gen4 magazines.

I think that misses the point. Excluding the very, very early Glock mags (not relevant here) the external dimensions (the body) of glock magazines has not changed. Yes you have cutout differences for the release and floorplate differences that prevent insertion, but you can take any generation glock mag body and put it in any generation glock frame of the correct caliber. or at least I've never heard of any problems in this area. And I know it works at a practical level from G2-G5. So if it goes in and locks it should come out. I think this is being overworried, Call Kriss.

Talk to Kriss.

It seems like a decent number of SMGs do not feature fully drop-free magazines. Even recent modern ones like the CZ Scorpion Evo don't have drop-free mags, and CZ states that's intentional. With the way the magazine releases are set up on many SMGs, you have to bring your support hand up to the magazine area to activate it anyway, so the additional effort to strip the empty mag out is minimal. Especially with designs using something like a paddle mag release.

However, looking at the Vector's magazine release setup, if it's as you described where the magazine doesn't move at all, and would then require two hands to remove (one to depress the Vector's magazine release and hold it down plus a second to pull the magazine out), that would certainly be a problem. I can't see that being intentional.

I have a gen 2 kriss crb in 40sw. It came with the 1 15 round glock mag, i purchased 1 22rnd glock mag, and 2 30 round ets mags. I stored them all loaded for a few days. They all function flawlessly.





They all fall free of the mag well. Almost two easily. I am worried that if i drop a mag on gravel it might get damaged.

Interesting. I also have a .40 cal Kriss CRB, and on mine, the ETS extended mags barely lock. I have to slam them in to get them to lock, which I don’t have to do with the factory 15 or 22 round mags.

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I am worried that if i drop a mag on gravel it might get damaged.

Its a glock mag. I have OEM mags that have hit the ground thousands of times, and much of that on concrete. They are pretty tough. Not saying that some odd angle or circumstance doesn't make it possible, but overall its pretty hard to do. ETS no experience but given today's prices I'd get a few OEM ones and you will be fine.

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My concern is for the ets mags.

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
Interesting. I also have a .40 cal Kriss CRB, and on mine, the ETS extended mags barely lock. I have to slam them in to get them to lock, which I don’t have to do with the factory 15 or 22 round mags.

To lock the bolt back or lock the mag in place?


I have neither issue.