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Originally posted by toivo:
At present, all Subcompact frames have the small grip.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by toivo:
At present, all Subcompact frames have the small grip.

No. There's a Medium subcompact grip too.

The Small SC grip has no rail. The Medium SC grip has a rail.

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Originally posted by Nipper:
1) The X-Grip has a very nice feel on the G19 and is a slight improvement on the native short grip. The lower part of my palm rests on the top of the adapter (rear).

2) During reloads, the mag fails to drop free. It will drop, of course, if it's stripped with the free hand or the gun hand is re-positioned. Neither is desirable in a defensive pistol. One more thing to go wrong.

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Originally posted by Nipper:
OP, no offense intended, but I'll offer my opinion. That's just what it is...opinion. I've carried concealed for 50 years, so I have a few opinions.

I carry on a daily basis, usually IWB. Will also carry with belt holster, usually winter. Nearly all my leather is Sparks VM-2 (IWB) and #55BN (belt). I carry a G19 and P320C 9mm as well as larger guns. Either works fine for me.

1) Raw individual measurement data between carry guns is nearly useless between similar size/weight guns. Posters usually request this info 98% of the time.

2) More important is all the other variables and combinations thereof, that determine the suitability for a given individual. Primary performance characteristics of the pistol/holster/belt system are: concealability, comfort and speed of draw.

3) Pistol measurements. It's not just the numbers, it's also the contours and shape of the overall pistol. Just a couple of examples. The only significant measurement difference between the two guns is the height. Even that isn't a big deal (for me), since it's .3". Some dimensions are offsets: G19 slide slightly narrower, but squared at rear. P320 is angled. P320 grip slightly wider, but more ergonomic. The P320C 9mm and G19 fully loaded with 115gr +P+ weigh 32.4 and 31.0 ounces respectively - which is no difference. You can drive yourself nuts with all the variables.
Note that the P320C can be fit with a SC Small no-rail grip frame module. You lose three rounds, but the grip is SIGNIFICANTLY lower profile than the Compact grip (or the G19).

3) Holster variables. Will gun be carried in IWB or belt holster? What brand? Makes a difference in carry/draw angle and how deep the gun rides. When I carry, I always use two spare mag carriers. Whatever you use, pay the money for a quality product. Always amazes me when I see a guy with a $1,000 gun who wants to save $30 on a holster.

4) Shooter's anatomy. Makes a BIG difference (pun intended). Some guys can carry a full size gun with no problems, some struggle with a compact. Depends. It's not just your size, it's also your shape. Contrary to popular belief, a beer belly can be a superb concealment device for EDC.

5) Holster. Obvious difference between IWB and OWB. Within each style, lots of variations among manufacturers/models. Not a good/bad thing. Just a matter of what works for you. I don't view a holster in isolation, it is a SYSTEM. Holster, mag carriers, belt and the intended carry piece.

6) Clothing. If you like to dress like a male fashion model, you're probably not going to do it with a compact pistol on your side. I don't dress like a slob, but I've always dressed to accommodate my carry mode. Obviously, seasonality and climate in your area affect your choices.

7) Philosophy. My own philosophy is that I carry a gun in case I NEED one. If I need one, I don't want it to be a pipsqueak. Smallest I carry as a primary is my P239 .40, P320C with SC grip frame module, or Colt LW Cmdr. Over the decades, I've had two what I call "near misses" with perps. I KNEW what was going to happen with 100% certainty. Per Mas Ayoob, "lethal threat management" prevented them from escalating to their intended plan. Didn't have to draw. However, had no thoughts about the suitability of the gun I was carrying at the time. Both in IWB, Sig P229 .40 and Colt LW Cmdr.

Anybody who has routinely carried probably has a large box of old holsters and other leather (and/or Kydex). You just have to actually wear the stuff daily to figure out what works for you. There are no shortcuts.

Hope this helps.

EDIT:
- Corrected Item 3 bullet weight from 155 to 115.
- Added Colt LW Cmdr to Item 7

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Originally posted by blindref:

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Originally posted by Nipper:
OP, no offense intended, but I'll offer my opinion. That's just what it is...opinion. I've carried concealed for 50 years, so I have a few opinions.

I carry on a daily basis, usually IWB. Will also carry with belt holster, usually winter. Nearly all my leather is Sparks VM-2 (IWB) and #55BN (belt). I carry a G19 and P320C 9mm as well as larger guns. Either works fine for me.

1) Raw individual measurement data between carry guns is nearly useless between similar size/weight guns. Posters usually request this info 98% of the time.

2) More important is all the other variables and combinations thereof, that determine the suitability for a given individual. Primary performance characteristics of the pistol/holster/belt system are: concealability, comfort and speed of draw.

3) Pistol measurements. It's not just the numbers, it's also the contours and shape of the overall pistol. Just a couple of examples. The only significant measurement difference between the two guns is the height. Even that isn't a big deal (for me), since it's .3". Some dimensions are offsets: G19 slide slightly narrower, but squared at rear. P320 is angled. P320 grip slightly wider, but more ergonomic. The P320C 9mm and G19 fully loaded with 115gr +P+ weigh 32.4 and 31.0 ounces respectively - which is no difference. You can drive yourself nuts with all the variables.
Note that the P320C can be fit with a SC Small no-rail grip frame module. You lose three rounds, but the grip is SIGNIFICANTLY lower profile than the Compact grip (or the G19).

3) Holster variables. Will gun be carried in IWB or belt holster? What brand? Makes a difference in carry/draw angle and how deep the gun rides. When I carry, I always use two spare mag carriers. Whatever you use, pay the money for a quality product. Always amazes me when I see a guy with a $1,000 gun who wants to save $30 on a holster.

4) Shooter's anatomy. Makes a BIG difference (pun intended). Some guys can carry a full size gun with no problems, some struggle with a compact. Depends. It's not just your size, it's also your shape. Contrary to popular belief, a beer belly can be a superb concealment device for EDC.

5) Holster. Obvious difference between IWB and OWB. Within each style, lots of variations among manufacturers/models. Not a good/bad thing. Just a matter of what works for you. I don't view a holster in isolation, it is a SYSTEM. Holster, mag carriers, belt and the intended carry piece.

6) Clothing. If you like to dress like a male fashion model, you're probably not going to do it with a compact pistol on your side. I don't dress like a slob, but I've always dressed to accommodate my carry mode. Obviously, seasonality and climate in your area affect your choices.

7) Philosophy. My own philosophy is that I carry a gun in case I NEED one. If I need one, I don't want it to be a pipsqueak. Smallest I carry as a primary is my P239 .40, P320C with SC grip frame module, or Colt LW Cmdr. Over the decades, I've had two what I call "near misses" with perps. I KNEW what was going to happen with 100% certainty. Per Mas Ayoob, "lethal threat management" prevented them from escalating to their intended plan. Didn't have to draw. However, had no thoughts about the suitability of the gun I was carrying at the time. Both in IWB, Sig P229 .40 and Colt LW Cmdr.

Anybody who has routinely carried probably has a large box of old holsters and other leather (and/or Kydex). You just have to actually wear the stuff daily to figure out what works for you. There are no shortcuts.

Hope this helps.

EDIT:
- Corrected Item 3 bullet weight from 155 to 115.
- Added Colt LW Cmdr to Item 7

Excellent post - spot on