What do you think about the Black Hill Honey badger ammunition as defensive round?
August 14, 2020, 05:59 AM
fpuhan
It's my choice for my LCP II.
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I'm sure those will blow a huge hole in a block of ballistic jello. I don't know how they will actually perform in the target. But those pistol loads, especially the .40 S&W, with funky bullet shapes/contours and lighter and faster than standard loadings, look like a feed ramp hangup waiting to happen. I'd at least test them for function in your gun and magazines. (This concern doesn't apply to a revolver.) On the plus side, Black Hills is a quality manufacturer. You shouldn't have to worry about them going bang.
August 14, 2020, 07:12 AM
sigfreund
Black Hills isn’t the first to offer loads with those bullets. I don’t recall the name of the originator, but I wonder if BH did something like purchase the rights (assuming that was necessary) or if the other company will continue to offer their loads.
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August 14, 2020, 08:20 AM
TN Mark
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Originally posted by fpuhan: It's my choice for my LCP II.
You sir, have a fantastic tag line.
Tom Gresham on Gun Talk gives high praise to the Black Hills Honey Badger line. I trust Tom so that’s good enough for me.
That said I just don’t know that I would want to stand in front of a judge and explain my use of “honey badger” ammo.
I mean maybe if the local constabulary were all running “Honey Badger” ammo but other than that, at least for me personally, I feel like this is similar in optics to RIP/DRT/DIEMFR+p for example. Ok I made that last one up but you get the point.
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August 14, 2020, 12:09 PM
YooperSigs
Underwood loads it in most calibers with the claim that it offers similar performance to a hydrogen bomb. I will wait to hear some real world examples before I buy.
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August 14, 2020, 04:52 PM
GT-40DOC
I have read some good reviews on this ammo, but have yet to find any to purchase and try. I am thinking it might just be a good load in a 380 auto gun.
August 15, 2020, 04:58 AM
egregore
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That said I just don’t know that I would want to stand in front of a judge and explain my use of “honey badger” ammo.
They won't care.
August 15, 2020, 07:53 AM
SCfromNY
Like "Black Talon's" they will probably change the name as to not offend anyone if it becomes popular.
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August 15, 2020, 02:08 PM
huskerlrrp
They look like Lehigh defense projectiles.
August 15, 2020, 02:27 PM
kkina
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Originally posted by egregore:
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That said I just don’t know that I would want to stand in front of a judge and explain my use of “honey badger” ammo.
Depending on the many circumstances of a SD shooting, your entire social media history, gun selection, ammo selection, caliber selection etc ‘could’ all be brought to bear. Factors like the number of rounds fired, when, where etc would certainly be an issue.
So yes, the Marketing name of the ammo chosen certainly ‘could’ be an issue.
So yes, the Marketing name of the ammo chosen certainly ‘could’ be an issue.
Or it could passed off as "some company's stupid marketing ploy. I bought the ammo because it garnered a lot of positive reviews on its effectiveness at stopping a threat, not some infantile notion on (how)'kewl'its labeling is."This message has been edited. Last edited by: monoblok,
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August 15, 2020, 11:41 PM
SIGWALLY
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Originally posted by kkina:
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Originally posted by egregore:
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That said I just don’t know that I would want to stand in front of a judge and explain my use of “honey badger” ammo.
They won't care.
Are you saying honey badger don't give a shit?
Honey Badger just don't care!
August 16, 2020, 08:35 PM
huskerlrrp
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Originally posted by TN Mark: Depending on the many circumstances of a SD shooting, your entire social media history, gun selection, ammo selection, caliber selection etc ‘could’ all be brought to bear. Factors like the number of rounds fired, when, where etc would certainly be an issue.
So yes, the Marketing name of the ammo chosen certainly ‘could’ be an issue.
With that logic maybe there is a niche in some ammo named, "Unicorn Hugs"? What jury could find a person guilty defending his home 15 well placed "Unicorn Hugs" in a Mozambique errr...Diversity technique?
September 08, 2020, 10:30 PM
MMA10mm
These ARE Lehigh Defense projectiles. Lehigh has a small manufacturing facility a few blocks away from Black Hills to make the (non-catalog weight) FTM-EXD (fluid transfer monolithic-Extreme Defender) bullets for BHs. I’m a tiny bit jealous that the 100gr 9mm bullets are not commercially available, and currently load the 90gr version myself. They are the first true 100% Barrier Blind pistol bullet, and they do generate a fluid cutting mechanism at the very high velocities achievable. (I get my 90gr to 1450-1500 fps out of 4.3” bbl.)
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September 09, 2020, 07:23 PM
PorterN
Wasnt there another spiral type bullet kind of like this? Ruger ARX? I’m seeing its discontinued now. Its not As inherently gimmicky as those ripd or bola rounds, and is interesting. But it’s going to take a lot more time and companies use of the bullet type for it to climb its way out of being lumped in with those other gimmicks.
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September 09, 2020, 08:33 PM
808
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Originally posted by MMA10mm: These ARE Lehigh Defense projectiles. Lehigh has a small manufacturing facility a few blocks away from Black Hills to make the (non-catalog weight) FTM-EXD (fluid transfer monolithic-Extreme Defender) bullets for BHs. I’m a tiny bit jealous that the 100gr 9mm bullets are not commercially available, and currently load the 90gr version myself. They are the first true 100% Barrier Blind pistol bullet, and they do generate a fluid cutting mechanism at the very high velocities achievable. (I get my 90gr to 1450-1500 fps out of 4.3” bbl.)
Are you sure thought Lehigh Defense Was in Quakertown Pennsylvania.
Originally posted by MMA10mm: These ARE Lehigh Defense projectiles. Lehigh has a small manufacturing facility a few blocks away from Black Hills to make the (non-catalog weight) FTM-EXD (fluid transfer monolithic-Extreme Defender) bullets for BHs. I’m a tiny bit jealous that the 100gr 9mm bullets are not commercially available, and currently load the 90gr version myself. They are the first true 100% Barrier Blind pistol bullet, and they do generate a fluid cutting mechanism at the very high velocities achievable. (I get my 90gr to 1450-1500 fps out of 4.3” bbl.)
Are you sure thought Lehigh Defense Was in Quakertown Pennsylvania.
