I took my 365XL FCU out of the grip module and the FCU began to come apart. The safety lever started to work itself free--popped out 3/8 of an inch. Now everything starts to loosen.
I pull the trigger bar spring to inspect. The safety lever does not want to engage the sear spring. Multiple attempts without success.
Phone call to Sig CS. One ring-answered by rep at home. I explain the problem, I can't put FCU back together. OK, $27 service fee to reassemble FCU. No, I think the safety lever is defective, as well as the sear spring--damn FCU came apart as soon I took it out of the grip module.
Sig agrees for warranty work-no charge for shipping.
Quick turn around. Sig confirms out of spec safety lever-replaced at no cost. New sear spring. Lube and test fire.
I wasn't aware of this problem with the 365 series.

I am curious to know how that works out for you. The local FFL that I trust has had more than a few Q/C issues with the 365s and the 320s. Not to bad-mouth the current-day Sig as a company, but I am currently content to stay with the classic Sigs, the fire I have for them has been rekindled and is burning bright.

Good luck.

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The local FFL that I trust has had more than a few Q/C issues with the 365s and the 320s

The local gun shop. The place to go to get trusted super secret insider industry news.

My CIA contractor / delta force seal team 6 gun dealer said it, so it must be true.

If there was even a hint of truth to this the internet would be all over this like flies on..... Just like the whole supposed drop safe issue.

I'm not saying the OP is making this up. I believe him 100%. Humans make and inspect these parts. Mistakes happen. But I don't see a massive QC problem at Sig especially with all their military contracts.

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My QC gripe in recent years has been their Xray3 night sights. I've had three SIGs where the Tritium in the front sight went dim or dead after 1-2 years.

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Originally posted by iron chef:
My QC gripe in recent years has been their Xray3 night sights. I've had three SIGs where the Tritium in the front sight went dim or dead after 1-2 years.

I had a set where one side on the rear was brighter than the other. It wasn't a huge deal but things like that bug the crap out of me. I replaced them with night fision night sights.

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But I don't see a massive QC problem at Sig

Neither do I. Other than one P365 issue with a very early production gun (3 digit s/n), I have had no issues. I'm talking about currently owning or have owned about a dozen different Sig P320/P365 series guns over the past 5 years.

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My QC gripe in recent years has been their Xray3 night sights.

Sorry to hear. I have 8 pistols with X-Ray 3 sights and zero issues.

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The local FFL that I trust has had more than a few Q/C issues with the 365s and the 320s

The local gun shop. The place to go to get trusted super secret insider industry news.

I've witnessed a lot of brand bias at gun counters. Maybe not the case cited above, but it happens. Guns are a different animal when it comes to QC and possible defects. Even if a defect doesn't result in a kaboom, a failure to function in a critical situation is a bit different than your lawn mower not starting.

Besides the RomeoZero being crappy, the only qc issue I've had with P365XL was the slide to frame fit. It rattled, and although it was perfectly safe and did shoot well it bugged me. Sig sent me a new one and if fixed the issue so apparently the original was a bit out of spec.

Oh yeah the P320 has had its smattering of issues. Early on there was the 'double-click' that really wasn't a problem but an mind game annoyance (as Bruce Gray once chided me over). Of course the very serious drop-safe problem shortly came to light afterwards that the Army first discovered and SIG insists to this day that the fix is just "an upgrade". Then there's the ongoing controversy regarding SIGs "going off by themselves" with agency users, which may be more about this issue being user-induced via poor choices in issuing incorrect holsters and/or simply bad training. Nowadays all except the 'unintended discharge' issues is relatively quiet with regards to P320 reliability and durability. But if you consider the how long the gun has been around so far, a goodly portion of that time has been tainted by some level of controversy.

Now for the P365; that design has so far avoided the controversies that its larger sibling has endured. Then again, it's probably a good thing that the P365 up until the Macro is such a small gun and few if any will try to recycle a P226 holster like some police agencies did with their P320s (sarcasm, if you didn't pick it up on your own). We know about the first striker design and its tendency to break firing pins from dry-fire. The dead trigger issue that followed was caused by a batch of out-of-spec springs from SIG's outside OE provider. All of this occurred in the first six to seven months after the gun's release. There have been occasional hiccups since then, like SASs with out-of-spec Meprolight Bull's-Eye sights that are inherently NOT adjustable, causing the gun to shoot off-target. But generally it's been quiet...well except for the CONSTANT customer complaints regarding how HARD it is to load the magazines of their new P365, and their annoyance when we tell them to spend another $35 for an Uplula loader.

So from a dealer standpoint (hey...wait a min...that's ME), yeah there's been issues that have to be dealt with. I mean I still get questions about the 320's drop-safe problem from potential customers that are new to the P320.

Imagine how tainted Glock's Gen 1 would have been had Al Gore invented the internet 15 or 20 years earlier.

I bought an XL frame to replace the original frame on my P365. When I put the FCU in the new frame it would not work. I called Sig and they asked me to send it to them. Got a call the day they received it saying it was defective and would be replaced. They sent a new FCU (in the XL grip module I sent in). They sent me an extra mag to help pay for the transfer. Unfortunately they did not say what the problem was.

WCCPHD--Sig sent a new FCU that required an FFL to transfer?
They should have sent you a new gun- FCU, Slide, barrel grip and magazine. Sig got off cheap.
My out of spec Safety lever was blued--replacement is silver.

Oh fucking brother. You literally think hard to load magazines is an issue? Have you seen how many rounds they cram in there? That gun store guy is typical of most gun store guys. They are full of shit. First off if your gun doesn’t work after awhile you contact the manufacturer. You don’t go back to the sporting goods store you bought it from. Bullshit. I’ve never known any gun store to handle warranty work. They tell you to contact the manufacturer so how the hell dies this gun store idiot know all about it? BS talk.

I agree the way Sig handled the drip safety was goofy. I am also an adult and understand that when Legal says call it an voluntary upgrade that’s free in every way instead of a safety recall I understand the why. If people were too stupid to take advantage of a program that still exists to this day they deserve to take a round to their grape if they drop it wrong.

Most of the other stuff mentioned just happens. No gun comes out perfect at first. Sucks yes but don’t be an early adopter.

As for 320’s just going off, for fucks sake quit spewing that bullshit. Stuffing one gun into a modded holster and it goes off is a testament to idiocy and nothing more. Link one shooting that confirms it “just went off”. Nonsense. What do you work ata gun store?

Another Sig 365 XL Romeo Elite with the safety lever backing out after removing the FCU from the grip frame.
I field stripped the 365. Couldn't get the slide back onto the frame. Magazine was obstructed by something protruding. Pop out the rear pin. Look at the FCU and deja vu -- same thing with the safety lever. Leaving it on the bench to try and put it back together tomorrow.

When you remove the fcu are you doing it for maintenance or for cleaning? Maybe you are causing this inadvertently. Worst case you need to get good at taking these down and you can just put it back together. Or, and this is a radical thought, quit taking it out of the grip module. There is zero reason to take out the fcu to "field strip" it. Zero. On a classic P series you don't pull the fire control parts out to "field strip" it. If you think its that dirty then hit it with something, non chlorinated brake cleaner or something and then lube it up again.

When you say safety, can we assume you mean that magazine safety bar or whatever it is actually called?

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Another Sig 365 XL Romeo Elite with the safety lever backing out after removing the FCU from the grip frame.
I field stripped the 365. Couldn't get the slide back onto the frame. Magazine was obstructed by something protruding. Pop out the rear pin. Look at the FCU and deja vu -- same thing with the safety lever. Leaving it on the bench to try and put it back together tomorrow.

Stop taking the FCU out. It's not a normal part of field stripping on the P365, like it is on the P320.

Look at your P365 manual, specifically Section 8 that deals with Maintenance. It describes field stripping, involving removing the slide, and taking out the barrel and recoil spring. Then it states in large bold letters: STOP: NO FURTHER DISASSEMBLY OF THE P365 PISTOL IS AUTHORIZED.

The P365 FCU isn't intended to be frequently removed and swapped around, like on the P320. (The fact that it involves puncking out a pin is a clue.) With the P365, parts can start falling off and getting jostled out of place when the FCU is taken out of the grip module. As you've experienced twice now.

The P365's FCU should only be removed if parts are being changed, and then it should only be done by someone who knows what they're doing. It's akin to detail-stripping any other pistol.

The military intent of the FCU was that an idiot could swap out the FCU into a new frame. There was something wrong with the 1st 365XL-safety lever pin was defective. The FCU should be like a Ruger 10/22 . Knock out 2 pins and the 10/22 unit stays together. The 365 FCU fits together like a jigsaw puzzle-each piece dependant and locking the other in place. The safety lever pin is retained by the sear spring. This is the achile's heel of the 365. Sig and Wilson sell grip modules that allow swapping. The design flaw is where the sear spring retains the safety lever pin.
This is a different gun. The takedown lever was sticking= not rotating to allow the slide to come off. The takedown lever pin fits into the takedown lever and is captured by the safety lever pin.If the safety lever is not captured properly-it protrudes into the mag well preventing magazine insertion.
Parts should not fall out of a 365 FCU. It is a contained, fully independant part. The takedown lever pin has notches in it that contact the short arm of the sear spring. This prevents the takedown lever pin from backing out.

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Originally posted by SIGfourme:
Another Sig 365 XL Romeo Elite with the safety lever backing out after removing the FCU from the grip frame.
I field stripped the 365. Couldn't get the slide back onto the frame. Magazine was obstructed by something protruding. Pop out the rear pin. Look at the FCU and deja vu -- same thing with the safety lever. Leaving it on the bench to try and put it back together tomorrow.

Have you watched the video on the other 365 thread? I ask because your post reads like there were 2 issues. The first being something obstructing the magazine from seating. The second is the slide not going back on the frame. Both of those issues have the same thing in common. The takedown safety lever. If the takedown lever rotates a mag won’t seat by design. If it rotates it also won’t allow the slide to go back into position. You have to move the slide stop up and simultaneously rotate and sometimes even hold, the takedown lever in its most forward position to seat the slide back on the frame.

Maybe you know all that. Maybe you don’t. You do seem hellbent on this being a big issue. I have 6 of these, std through Macro. I swap them out plenty because I constantly sought the best combo of grip modules (WC). I’m careful when I do because it was quite an engineering feat to make that module 2/3rd’s the size of its big brother. It even has fewer parts. You seem to have found all the lemons. You also seem to be routinely removing the fcu as part of your “field stripping”. Certainly you could avoid some problems if you addressed that elephant in the room. Or on a positive note, you must be getting really good at putting these back together again. When my GG flat trigger comes in I should send it to you for installation. Lol

Other than that, how do they shoot?

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Originally posted by iron chef:
My QC gripe in recent years has been their Xray3 night sights. I've had three SIGs where the Tritium in the front sight went dim or dead after 1-2 years.

I had one lamp go out on my 320C before I fired the first round through it. Sig gave me shipping authorization within 2 minutes of getting a rep on the line. It’s been tits ever since.

Pedropcola,
Yes--I have watched the videos. One video on disassembly makes a point about the sear spring being the hardest part in reassembly.
I believe the "problem" is the sear spring walks from its designated contact point on the takedown lever pin and then applies pressure on the takedown lever pin forcing it out of the FCU. This is my buddies 365 XL that I convinced him to buy.
On my way to FLA soon--will install the GG flat trigger, no problem.

Good, because I too have watched the assembly videos and I am dreading it.

Convince your buddy to buy a Wilson Combat grip module and then never take it out again. lol