Is it direct milled for their “Hex” optic? Or does it use plates to allow for different optics?
August 28, 2022, 08:32 PM
Lefty Sig
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Originally posted by Phred: Is it direct milled for their “Hex” optic? Or does it use plates to allow for different optics?
I have an RMRcc laying around that would be perfect on a 1911 slide, but is otherwise unusable on any factory optic cut...
August 29, 2022, 02:45 AM
DaBigBR
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Originally posted by 92fstech: "2011", "Double-Stack 1911-Style Pistol", it's like saying "table tennis" vs "ping-pong" anymore. The terms are interchangeable.
I would respectfully disagree. "2011" is a trademarked term that refers to a specific pattern of widebody 1911. Others, like the Para Ordinance pattern stuff, BUL Armory, etc. are similar in concept, but use different magazines and other parts. Different varieties of widebody 1911 are like AR-10s. They look similar, might share some parts, etc., but at the heart, they are different. Imprecise terms are not useful.
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Originally posted by .38supersig:
If $1499 also happens to include the RDS, light, belt and holster, whats not to like?
It doesn't. You're looking at a press pack.
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Originally posted by Phred: Is it direct milled for their “Hex” optic? Or does it use plates to allow for different optics?
What I am reading is that it is a native Hex cut. That cut is supposed to be the same as the Shield RMS. Depending on exactly what the cut is, it may fit the Holosun K optics (407K/507K/EPS/EPS Carry) and other optics that use this footprint. If not, mild modification will be required.
The screw pattern for the RMS cut is the same as the Deltapoint Pro, but the DPP footprint is larger so the odds are against that being compatible.
Some of the pictures show some variety of RMR (not sure if full-size or CC) mounted on a plate so the implication is that there will be plates, at least.
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Originally posted by deadmanmike: Magazines are in fact compatible with Staccato mags. I've had hands on with one already.
Have you shot one to verify function with the mags? I'm not picking at your post, I'm legitimately curious. The mags are the toughest part of the 2011 platform and always have been. If somebody can both make them reliable and make them affordable, they'll really be on to something.
Triarc's TRI-11 mags (made by the same OEM as Staccato) are pretty decent and can be had around $40, but availability is usually the issue.
August 29, 2022, 04:24 PM
.38supersig
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Originally posted by DaBigBR:
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Originally posted by .38supersig:
If $1499 also happens to include the RDS, light, belt and holster, whats not to like?
It doesn't. You're looking at a press pack.
bac1023 will be pleased.
August 29, 2022, 08:04 PM
deadmanmike
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Originally posted by DaBigBR:
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Originally posted by 92fstech: "2011", "Double-Stack 1911-Style Pistol", it's like saying "table tennis" vs "ping-pong" anymore. The terms are interchangeable.
I would respectfully disagree. "2011" is a trademarked term that refers to a specific pattern of widebody 1911. Others, like the Para Ordinance pattern stuff, BUL Armory, etc. are similar in concept, but use different magazines and other parts. Different varieties of widebody 1911 are like AR-10s. They look similar, might share some parts, etc., but at the heart, they are different. Imprecise terms are not useful.
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Originally posted by .38supersig:
If $1499 also happens to include the RDS, light, belt and holster, whats not to like?
It doesn't. You're looking at a press pack.
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Originally posted by Phred: Is it direct milled for their “Hex” optic? Or does it use plates to allow for different optics?
What I am reading is that it is a native Hex cut. That cut is supposed to be the same as the Shield RMS. Depending on exactly what the cut is, it may fit the Holosun K optics (407K/507K/EPS/EPS Carry) and other optics that use this footprint. If not, mild modification will be required.
The screw pattern for the RMS cut is the same as the Deltapoint Pro, but the DPP footprint is larger so the odds are against that being compatible.
Some of the pictures show some variety of RMR (not sure if full-size or CC) mounted on a plate so the implication is that there will be plates, at least.
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Originally posted by deadmanmike: Magazines are in fact compatible with Staccato mags. I've had hands on with one already.
Have you shot one to verify function with the mags? I'm not picking at your post, I'm legitimately curious. The mags are the toughest part of the 2011 platform and always have been. If somebody can both make them reliable and make them affordable, they'll really be on to something.
Triarc's TRI-11 mags (made by the same OEM as Staccato) are pretty decent and can be had around $40, but availability is usually the issue.
I did not get to shoot it. I did do all the normal function checks.
Looks sharp. Not all gussied-up. Crowned and recessed barrel. Recessed slide stop. Nice.
I could see acquiring one of these come fall or so, if the reviews and user reports are positive.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
August 31, 2022, 05:35 PM
pedropcola
That looks like it’s a 2011 using you guys definition. 3 parts looks like a check to me.
As for expensive mags it’s an ridiculous thing to say competitors don’t care about mag prices. More correctly, only idiotic competitors don’t care. If a 30 dollar mag is robust and reliable only a tard would want to pay more. It is like some people wouldn’t want the market to have to adjust downwards for a significantly cheaper alternative that works just as well. Sheesh. (probably the same guys were glad CZ screwed the DWX pooch lol)
August 31, 2022, 05:36 PM
DaBigBR
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Originally posted by ensigmatic: Looks sharp. Not all gussied-up. Crowned and recessed barrel. Recessed slide stop. Nice.
I could see acquiring one of these come fall or so, if the reviews and user reports are positive.
The widebody frame is conducive to the recessed slide stop lever.
Gun does look good, though. Springfield does pretty well with the aesthetics on their 1911s.
September 01, 2022, 07:27 AM
DaBigBR
Looks like media embargos are lifted. Lots of info out there on them today from reputable guys.
Hilton Yam reports that the iron sight model does indeed use Agency AOS. I think that's smart on Springfield's part. There are enough plate systems out there. License something and get immediate market support.
Also says that the grip module is proprietary but does work with STI pattern magazines. I hope the Duramag people are ready to bring it.
September 01, 2022, 07:34 AM
Chowser
A few people out there have actually stuck their Staccato mags in it but haven't fired it. I haven't found any videos yet. I'm going to take my Staccato mags and some dummy rounds to a store on Saturday and ask if I can cycle it through one.
Not minority enough!
September 01, 2022, 09:02 AM
ensigmatic
This should answer some other questions:
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
September 01, 2022, 09:43 AM
pedropcola
That looks very nice.
If this thing works like it looks they will sell a ton of these. Even I will get one and 2011's aren't really my thing.
September 01, 2022, 10:41 AM
Jim Watson
"Cross compatible magazines"
I will look at what the dealer here has gotten in and see if he will let me try it with a STI magazine and a dummy round.
So many people are taking the bac attitude and trying to compare it with the more expensive Staccato. They should be thinking of it as a high cap TRP, same price range with generally favorable reports.
September 01, 2022, 11:19 AM
ensigmatic
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Originally posted by Jim Watson: So many people are taking the bac attitude and trying to compare it with the more expensive Staccato.
Thing is: Staccato isn't the semi-custom gun it once was. Now it's production pistols with some hand-fitting. Mind you: They're good pistols. As I've mentioned: I own one. It is perhaps my finest pistol--matched only by my Sig P210A and Sig P229S. It's certainly my best-shooting pistol.
But Staccato is expensive. Some would argue more expensive than what it is deserves. E.g.: A Staccato XC, without an optic, has an MSRP of $4,300.00.
The Springfield Prodigy, with an optic, will cost a little more than one-third of that.
I suspect this pistol, if Springfield got it right, is going to put a serious dent in Staccatos market.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
September 01, 2022, 11:41 AM
tigereye313
Colion Noir likes it:
September 01, 2022, 11:48 AM
ensigmatic
It'll be interesting to see if Hickok 45 does a review. I always love his reviews
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
September 01, 2022, 03:22 PM
Jim Watson
OK, I have handled and gymnasticated them.
Slide travel is smooth, sights clear, grip comfortable. Trigger pull on the 5" was kind of "duty" the 4.25" was heavier.
