New lineup of pistols from Walther, the PDP series supposedly in gun stores by this weekend. Word is that it is going to replace the PPQ poly series line and is modular in that frames and slides can interchange between size variations. Lots of YT videos about it just showed up. I already own the PPQ M1 and love it. Will be interested to see how this new line is received but not sure I am ready to buy one anytime soon as I like about a year to see what reports are on reliability and performance of a brand new design. The PPQ is a design that is pretty well proven being basically a part of the P99 series which was been around since 1997. My PPQ 9MM has been totally reliable for thousands of rounds fired with a wide variety of ammo. My LGS probably will have an event this weekend and hopefully I will be able to try one out.

Not bad looking, but I am getting a chuckle out of SuperTerrain Slide Serrations.

^^^ You can saw logs with them

They were the first detail that I noticed from the side shot.
Seems overly large to me, but I guess it would make them more tactile with gloves?

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
Not bad looking, but I am getting a chuckle out of SuperTerrain Slide Serrations.

Yeah, they could have done without that marketing gimmick LOL.

I like the redesigned slide and will be curious to see how well it shoots with it.

They're talking about modularity, but nothing like SIGs separate serialized fire control group. So I assume that the full grip frame is the serialized part.

Unnecessary changes. Marketing bullshit. Oh, yes, "modularity". Uh huh, sure. "Modularity". The latest "thing" no one really needs in pistols- like hooked trigger guards in the 1980s.

Walther wants to sell you pieces of pistols and you Lego that shit together any way you want. Wow, how did we ever do without that??

The PPQ doesn't need to be changed or "modularized"

The evolution of the P99 has made sense up to this point. From the P99 to the P99QA to the P99 RAD to the P99Q to the PPQ M1 to the PPQ M2, as it exists today. These changes to the P99 brought the pistol in line with the other polymer pistols with Glock-like trigger actions, which is a wildly popular, widely available system. But now, Walther is playing follow the leader with changes which will only muddy the waters.

I swear to God, I wish I'd never seen an RDS for pistols. Now, every pistol slide must have a removable plate to mount an RDS, or that pistol is OBSOLETE. Screw that silly crap sticking up off the back of slides like some kind of Goddamned tumor a Borg might develop on their skin. Hell, don't stop there. I want my modularization modularized, and then modularize that whole shebang. Manifold modularization or bust.

Again, how did we ever live without all this "modularization" and gigantic electronic sights on pistols? Pistols!

Not to mention, Walther's timing is shit. The US is Walther's biggest market. How many of these will Wather sell when they start shipping them with ten round magazines, if you can get these "modular" pistols at all? You want to make money Walther? Then cut the follow-the-leader shit and supply the US market with PPQ pistols and magazines. You can't even do that right now, and you're moving on to something else? Please

Hell I thought the P99 was kinda the pinnacle for me personally, I didn’t even like when they made the mag paddles longer, much preferred the original.

I get that red dots on pistols are and thing and they have a place but without some pretty radical tech changes I don’t see them taking over as quickly as on rifles as on a rifle they add little to handling and bulk but on pistols they add a fair chunk.

But options are good. Hope they sell a billion of them.

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Originally posted by cslinger:
options are good.

Not when the options fuck up a fine system.

I like their steel frame pistols, sans the slide milled for optic mount. That is an option and on the steel frames we dont have to have them milled and plate filled. I agree 100% on the dot sights as those aren't for every shooter.

So do these completely replace the PPQ? At least it appears they take the legacy mags.

I don’t think Walther has a product problem I think they have a marketing and distribution problem overall and I imagine it will be the same for this one as well.

They make GREAT stuff, well the ULM ones anyway.

I'm as big a Walther fan as you'll find around here. Walther has made some missteps in the past few years, although tiny missteps: the first version of the CCP, which required a special tool to disassemble the pistol; the first version of the PPS with that idiotic and potentially dangerous "Quick Safe" backstrap system, to name a couple.

Regarding this latest "innovation", I agree this is driven by marketing. Are they so unnerved by the P250/P320 modular system that they had to try to mimick it to a degree?

I swear to God, I wish I'd never seen an RDS for pistols. Now, every pistol slide must have a removable plate to mount an RDS, or that pistol is OBSOLETE. Screw that silly crap sticking up off the back of slides like some kind of Goddamned tumor a Borg might develop on their skin.

I'm with you there. I have 3 pistols with the plate and only one had an RDS on it. I couldn't get used to it and even though I see the advantages, it wasn't for me. Rather use the sights the come with it.

I have been wanting to try a PPQM2, but I have had such lousy luck with non functional PPKs, I cant make make the leap of faith and buy one.
The new Walthers modularity is what Sig has been doing for a few years now, so no real innovation there.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
I have been wanting to try a PPQM2, but I have had such lousy luck with non functional PPKs, I cant make make the leap of faith and buy one.

Apples and oranges

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
Not bad looking, but I am getting a chuckle out of SuperTerrain Slide Serrations.

I'm surprised they didn't pull a Springfield Armory and mold "HoneyComb Zone" in the frame.

I'd kinda like to go to our LGS and get a feel of it.

Never shot a PPQ or any of those. I do have an early pre “AS” P99. It’s a great gun with poor support. When it came out, with proper marketing and holsters and sights and whatnot, it should have scared Glock. I still say the original system, with its ability to act like any of today’s modern strikers and decock to as safe as any hammer gun, is the best system of strikers created yet. I don’t give a fuck how light and crisp you can make a striker gun. The P99 was the best concept and nobody made the proper follow up gun. Don’t blame Walther for still making a 90 year old gun (PPK) and it not being as reliable as a modern one. If we stopped buying them they would quit making the PPK. Which they probably should.

Seems like they are trying to copy some of Sig’s success with the “modularity”. Honestly, the gun just looks like a bigger version of a P22Q. I’ll stick with Sigs and Glocks.

P99as was about the perfect striker pistol to me, never cared for anything later than that.