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Are any of you concerned about carrying the P320 with some reports of it firing while holstered?
Oh geez, here we go again.
After Sig issued the "voluntary recall" and changed the design, I would like to see anyone point out concrete examples of how it could possibly fire without the trigger being actuated by some means. This myth that seem to never die appears mostly related to people using holsters not designed for the P320 or foreign object interference within the holster.
Well yes...here we go again.
I was an early P320 adopter. Still have them and want to like them. That said, with reports still coming in of problems, it's still a thing. Of the 3 320's in this house, 1 has been a catastrophic nightmare that doesn't involve it firing when not wanted. In fact, I still need to contact Sig to take it back and fix it.
If the problems weren't a problem, then why do they continue year after year??? Open to current experiences and opinions. The same topics come up years later on various forums because new people keep bringing the topics up, which is good. We can't assume just because we hashed something out a few years back, that it's settled and done.
In over 50 years of shooting, I have yet to have a gun go off by it self. I have a 320 with a couple of thousand rounds down the tube. Zero issues. None.
To quote someone from this forum "Howdy! I have yet to see any report of alleged P320 spontaneous firing which is credible."
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I have my doubts. He holstered the weapon, raised his arms and the gun went off.
Again "I have yet to see any report of alleged P320 spontaneous firing which is credible"
Been discussed at length, https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...980007594#5980007594
Bottom line, not credible! Just like countless other BS allegations of spontaneous discharge.
I did stop carrying my P320. But not because I think there’s a problem. Just because I figured out that my back pain was from keeping a tight belt to hold the holster up. It was putting undue pressure on my sciatic nerve with unpleasant results. I now pocket carry a P365. ETA: I’m way too young to have sciatic pain!
My P320 still goes with me everywhere in my center console though. Without a single worry.
None of the reports have found the issue to be repeatable, or a related parts breakage. No one has been able to explain how a cascade of multiple failures could happen once, but not them be replicated. Each instance has had a very reasonable simple explanation, most of which involve shoving the gun into a holster without paying attention. Cop guy getting out of the back seat had probably been serving warrants and jammed his pistol in the holster to handcuff someone or something. Wasn’t paying attention, motion of standing up pulled up the fleece or jacket and bang. Competition kid I can damned near guarantee thinks he looks cool when he makes ready, with a prominently fluid mag insertion, an exaggerated slingshot and then a super fast no-look holster. While thinking “damn I’m high speed” to himself. Pinches his chubby kid wicking operator/gamer shirt just begging for sponsors to advertise on into the holster and trigger guard, raises his arms to “surrender position” pulling his shirt up and bang.
No one has presented any logical scenario where they explain how a mechanical failure or design flaw could be at fault. I’ll listen if someone has one. But no one does. Instead, it’s a “known issue” and so they glom onto that instead of admitting they’re responsible for their own ND.
There was issues with the original design. They thought they had the physics beat; they missed the 1:10000000 way. They fixed it. I also didn’t like the double click trigger reset, so the upgrade fixed a couple problems in my eyes. But since then there is zero evidence of anything other than poor firearm handling.
So, no. No concerns.
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To cause an accidental discharge without trigger pull, either a faulty or tampered firing pin safety would be required AND a force capable of triggering the mechanism without moving the trigger. If that were the case, then the failure is systematic and it could be repeated at any time.
The firing pin safety of a SIG P320 is a shaped piece of steel that engages the hammer mechanism from the right side. In order to deactivate it and release the hammer, it must be lifted. This can only be done by pulling the trigger after it has moved about 1/8in.
So, if a shot just releases and the error is not systematic, the trigger must have been moved. For me personally, this settles the question of safety.
In principle, its function is similar to the firing pin safety patented by Sauer and Son in 1938, which was adopted by SIGSauer and copied by many other well-known manufacturers.
On YouTube there are various contributions of "SIGMechanics" that explain the P320 and its safety concept.
I have a P320 Compact that has a couple thousand rounds through it and has been holstered I can easily estimate somewhere between 600 and 1000 times. Two 4 day classes where I went through over 1300 rounds and only fired double taps ... not once did it go off with out me pulling the trigger...
but I do have to say I'm not 100% comfortable carrying a striker fired pistol of any type or brand.
Bought my P320C 9mm in January 2015. Carried before the "Voluntary Upgrade" and after it.
First, it was the gun fires if tossed in the air and lands in a negative 17 degree position on a concrete floor. Second, it spontaneously fires itself when resting in a holster. Next, it will purportedly fire when resting inside your locked gun safe.
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Nope. I've carried P320s plenty of times, Ive kept them loaded in my safe and no unintended discharges.
I don't put much faith in those reports.
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If you have a concern then spend 10 bucks and put the factory thumb safety on it .
This is connected with the link posted earlier on this thread. The guy adds no new information just a follow up.
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A couple weeks ago I texted with the Texas DPS Range Master asking if they had seen any of these issues. Keep in mind, the DPS has over 4K P320s in the field. He advised they have not had one single instance where a P320 went off without the trigger being pulled.
If it worries you, get a revolver.
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o I carry a M-18 w/manual safety. Call me what you want, 21 years of Army has engrained the use of MS in my DNA.
o On deployment, about 1/5 carried the M-17; countless loading/unloading/holstering etc. No NDs.
o I carried a SA XDS in .45 for many years and was never 100% comfortable not having a MS, so most of the time it was amber. Quickly chambering a round on it was not easy, even broken in with regular practice = more than too many stovepipe jams that could only be cleared by dropping the magazine and shaking the round out.
o I believe these NDs are caused by clothing or other things introduced between the trigger and holster or whatever and initiating fire.
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