HKshooterusp - Good on you for doing that! The crap you see in movies isn't always accurate!!! LOL

That famous movie scene has been documented as a modified gun that he just had to reach up and slide it off. No manipulation of the takedown lever necessary. It was a cool scene though.

Always amazes me the silly shit people believe in TV/Movies.

I mean TECHNICALLY could you yank a slide off a beretta 92? I mean sure if you were the Flash or the gun wasn’t chambered and wielded by 92 year old pensioner but sigh.

I wonder if any Mensa candidates were ever shot trying it.

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I've never had an HK refuse to run any ammo I fed it right OOB.

I have. 9mm P30L with 115gr S&B and Federal American Eagle. Stovepiping galore. After about 150 or so rounds of a variety of 124gr ball including one mag of 124gr +P Gold Dots to (hopefully) 'finalize' the exercise, only then would it finally cycle with 115gr.

As to the snatching the slide off of the gun, well I do believe that Jet Li could do that. But the vast majority of people are not Jet Li. And Jet Li rules!

2 things. Jet Li can’t and didn’t do it. The gun in the movie was literally set up so that merely pulling the slide removed it. If the actor had pointed it at the ground the slide would have fallen off. Maybe I misunderstood your comment though. Lol I believe there are pictures where you can literally see the takedown lever already rotated down.

He said “feed it right”. HK is very clear that these guns are sprung for duty loads not light target loadings. They will choke on light loads regularly right out of the box. Run SD level stuff or a couple boxes of light stuff and the6 won’t choke.

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The Jet Li Maneuver: Beretta Disassembly at Gunpoint

https://youtu.be/lzEctvL0vrg?si=juC3Y1IiAjhGJbTo

Who ever said that this is so 1980's ago hit the nail on the head...lol

I have used both and am proficient with them, I love my 1917 made 1911, it runs like a clock, is very accurate plus has a history. If I could only grab one it would certainly be the M9, it also runs great, I shoot it very well and it holds twice as many rounds. Look at the CC threads here, people say things like I use this model because it holds 12 rounds instead of 10 and things like that. This question comes up and it's not always a big deal that the 1911 only holds 7.. I don't get it but trust me, in a gun fight more is better...

While teaching me about firearms my dad said to me "More people have been accidently shot by "unloaded" weapons than by loaded ones" maybe not true but what he was telling me is that even unloaded weapons should not be pointed in an unsafe direction because sometimes people make mistakes... BTW: He had been accidently shot twice in his life besides surviving WWII combat, so he knew what he was talking about as far as being on the wrong end of a gun.. If I saw that little demonstration mentioned here about trying to take the slide off a 92, I would be out of that room fast and would avoid contact with the participants in the future... Sorry but who points a gun at someone..?

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It was for a movie. Nobody would/should do it in real life. We would have really boring movies if we applied real gun handling rules when making a movie. We might as well point sticks at each other.

So yea, that recreation under very controlled conditions shouldn’t scare you. Or make you run from the room.

Every western you ever watched they pointed a gun at each other. I used to think they were nonfiring replicas or rubber. Alec Baldwin made me learn they are not fakes at all. So to answer your question. Hollywood does.

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So yea, that recreation under very controlled conditions shouldn’t scare you. Or make you run from the room.

It's a movie, the bullet won't come out of my TV and kill me, John Wayne never shot at me... Plus it's Hollywood, I don't agree with much that goes on in that town anyways. It's not a matter of being scared, its called having respect for firearms and what they can do... We all go to gun stores, I left one the other day because a young girl/woman was waving some AR type weapon around aiming at things I guess to get the feel of it.. She swung through me twice.. I left. Another store a clerk cleared a 365 and handed it to me slide closed, I immediately pointed it at the ground and racked the slide back and gave it back to him... Am I anal about gun safety...You-bet-cha...We like to tell the gun control people that guns don't kill people, people do... Well...!!!

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Every western you ever watched they pointed a gun at each other. I used to think they were nonfiring replicas or rubber. Alec Baldwin made me learn they are not fakes at all.

They usually are fakes.

Some productions just choose to cut corners and use real guns in certain situations, leading to possibilities like that. (Sometimes seen with revolvers and manually-activated long guns, which don't need any sort of special conversion to fire blanks or to simulate firing.)

Background, holstered, and stunt prop guns are usually rubber replicas, because they're cheaper and lighter. "Hero guns" for non-firing close-ups or primary character use are usually either highly realistic replicas or deactivated real guns.

When actually firing on camera, they used to use converted or purpose-built blank-firing guns, but many productions have moved away from even using blanks these days, because even blanks have safety concerns. Nowadays most will use realistic fake guns where there's no way to fire real ammo or even blanks, and the muzzle flashes are then added in post-production with CGI. For full/semiautos, these can have gas/electric-actuated actions, where the slide/action will still cycle, and some can even eject casings. These realistic non-guns are the best option, not only because they're 100% safe, but also because you don't have to worry about dealing with any gun laws at your shooting locale since there's no real guns involved.

Apples and oranges man. If you are at a gun store getting lasered it is under no scenario a “controlled scenario”. You have no idea or control over the safety.

If you and your buddy were discussing the Jet Li scene and wanted to see if it was possible, you two could completely control the situation and very safely attempt the Jet Li.

No ammo, meticulously takedown the gun, never let it or each other out of sight. Shoot, you could really go safe and pop out the firing pin. Under that kind of rigorous safety, I would feel safe trying this out. Yes, it violates rule one. Under the right scenario as I described I could live with that.

You really should never go to a gun store. You get lasered in them all the time, by buyers, by employees. Same with gun shows. What you watched in that video is waaaaay safer than any trip to a gun store.

This was to 1860 guy not rogue. I was amazed to learn real guns were ever used. That sounds fucking crazy to me.

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I've never had an HK refuse to run any ammo I fed it right OOB.

I have. 9mm P30L with 115gr S&B and Federal American Eagle. Stovepiping galore. After about 150 or so rounds of a variety of 124gr ball including one mag of 124gr +P Gold Dots to (hopefully) 'finalize' the exercise, only then would it finally cycle with 115gr.

Very common and an occasional source of complaint. As said above, new out of the box plastic HK pistols tend to seem a little stiff and require full pressure loads and a good, solid, no limp wrist hold.
My own P30, bought it like new, probably had fired a mag or two, had a few stoppages right out of the gate using 124 gr ball S&B. By the end of that box of 50 it had fallen right into the reliable pistol I expected it to be.
I don't like this. I've always been a proponent of any gun should run reliably right OOB when new and not require a break in. Some HK's seem to throw poop in the face of my believes, however, so if I acquire one I always put 200 rounds through it before I count on it.
Sorry for the thread drift, had to comment.

The first semi-auto I ever owned was a 1911 .45, and I sort of competed with one in IPSC matches back in my 20's and 30's, so that's where my thinking goes when the subject comes up. I bought an M9 a few years ago just because "everybody ought to have one", but I have smallish hands and just couldn't make it work for me. I have to shift my grip around to get enough leverage for the DA shot, then back again for the following SA shots. I also found the standard front sight dot to be too small for me. I sold it to a buddy with normal size hands. I have the same problem with virtually all of the double stack pistols in any caliber. My usual carry gun is an alloy framed Commander size 1911. Yeah it bucks a little more than a 5" steel version, but it's still easily controllable and one of the few handguns that I can reliably hit with (between small hands and a genetic neurological tremor I pretty much suck with almost any handgun). Much more comfortable to carry, too.

the M1911 offers a single trigger pull weight and a slimmer grip for those who need it. DA is a poor choice for "typical" military personnel. They only pull their issued handguns to clean or shoot. As mentioned by others, the frame mounted safety/decocker is awkward to use. I was armed both a M1911 and a M9 and tried to like the M9, never did. M1911 for me.

Lock N Load

Michael
USMC Ret

The auther of that article is full of derp. I haven't seen that many gun rag phrases since the last time I had a Guns and Ammo subscription.

But to sum it up I'll take whichever handgun that alows me to carry more ammo. Given what's available today I'd take a P320.

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Originally posted by SgtGold:

But to sum it up I'll take whichever handgun that alows me to carry more ammo. Given what's available today I'd take a P320.

Funny you bring this up.
Anyone ever noticed, in video of actual police shootings, whenever an officer or officers decide it's time to fire on a threat, they usually or nearly empty the gun? It hit me a couple of days ago while I was listening to the latest local police shooting footage release. Sounds like two officers involved, shout orders to someone to get their hands up, which they evidently didn't, then all hell breaks loose. Both officers shoot until their rate of fire slows down because their fingers are getting tired, and they still keep shooting. Sounds like a douche at the local range, blasting away and you know he isn't hitting a damn thing. Why do they do this?

Regardless, yeah, max capacity because if you shoot like a cop, you ain't gonna hit shit with 19 out of 20 spent rounds.

Hopefully someone with more recent training than I have will chime in on why the mag dump has become the preferred style of shooting. I was trained to fire two center mass, then one to the head if the threat wasn't neutralized, then reevaluate. I don't feel under armed with something like a 1911 because my EDC is usually a J frame or a G26, and I'm no longer in uniform so my first concern when I carry isn't volume of fire.

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Originally posted by HKshooterusp:

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Originally posted by SgtGold:

But to sum it up I'll take whichever handgun that alows me to carry more ammo. Given what's available today I'd take a P320.

Funny you bring this up.
Anyone ever noticed, in video of actual police shootings, whenever an officer or officers decide it's time to fire on a threat, they usually or nearly empty the gun? It hit me a couple of days ago while I was listening to the latest local police shooting footage release. Sounds like two officers involved, shout orders to someone to get their hands up, which they evidently didn't, then all hell breaks loose. Both officers shoot until their rate of fire slows down because their fingers are getting tired, and they still keep shooting. Sounds like a douche at the local range, blasting away and you know he isn't hitting a damn thing. Why do they do this?

Regardless, yeah, max capacity because if you shoot like a cop, you ain't gonna hit shit with 19 out of 20 spent rounds.

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Hear, hear!
I've been a member of the "shot placmement" club for years and have never felt under gunned, even when I pocket carried my 642. Only after seeing footage of multiple zombies during the summer of love 2020 tearing down store fronts and blocking highways did I think maybe I should upgun a notch or three.

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Originally posted by SgtGold:
Hopefully someone with more recent training than I have will chime in on why the mag dump has become the preferred style of shooting. I was trained to fire two center mass, then one to the head if the threat wasn't neutralized, then reevaluate. I don't feel under armed with something like a 1911 because my EDC is usually a J frame or a G26, and I'm no longer in uniform so my first concern when I carry is isn't volume of fire.

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Originally posted by HKshooterusp:

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Originally posted by SgtGold:

But to sum it up I'll take whichever handgun that alows me to carry more ammo. Given what's available today I'd take a P320.

Funny you bring this up.
Anyone ever noticed, in video of actual police shootings, whenever an officer or officers decide it's time to fire on a threat, they usually or nearly empty the gun? It hit me a couple of days ago while I was listening to the latest local police shooting footage release. Sounds like two officers involved, shout orders to someone to get their hands up, which they evidently didn't, then all hell breaks loose. Both officers shoot until their rate of fire slows down because their fingers are getting tired, and they still keep shooting. Sounds like a douche at the local range, blasting away and you know he isn't hitting a damn thing. Why do they do this?

Regardless, yeah, max capacity because if you shoot like a cop, you ain't gonna hit shit with 19 out of 20 spent rounds.