Just popped up in my Ewe_Toob feed. Only 4mins, and worth the watch. Especially, his statement at 3:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBjo62vSYZk

Sorry, but I sense a Utuber in search of an issue. To me his speech was too practiced. For me 99.99 % of unintentional discharges comes down to one item, the bang switch!

This is interesting. It appears to be a well-witnessed and documented event.

I wish there was more information about what Sig found to be the problem. He says that they told him it was a issue with the firing pin return spring...there is no such part in the P320. The only thing I can think of that he may be referring to is a tiny little spring called the Striker Reset Spring, but it's unclear to me how that spring could have caused the gun to discharge on its own, especially in a delayed manner like he described.

I wouldn’t say “well witnessed “. The gun owner claims other people saw it but none of them have been heard from .

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Originally posted by Nick B:
I wouldn’t say “well witnessed “. The gun owner claims other people saw it but none of them have been heard from .

True. I guess that's the problem with the internet...no real way to verify the information. Based on his description of the event, my money would have been on his shirt getting stuck in the trigger guard then actuating the trigger when he stretched it by raising his arms. He swears that didn't happen, and that Sig found a problem with the gun...once again, impossible for us to verify unless Sig releases something.

If there really is an issue, I'd like to know exactly what it is so that it can be prevented. Unfortunately, there's not enough info here to identify it.

I will say that I bounced my P320 (in duty holster) off of a couple of trees this afternoon at about 15mph while doing some bike patrol on the dirt. This did not result in any unintended noise or holes.

Take a look at the inset photo at 1:25. Note the shirts rather untucked.

Pretty clear to me that he was trying to be “high speed” by making ready and slamming his pistol into the holster without looking. He caught some shirt material in it. As he raised his hands, his shirt pulled up, against the trigger and *bang*.

People keep blaming their gear for their failures. He has poor gun handling skills and paid the price for it. Unfortunately, he doesn’t understand he was at fault and won’t learn from his mistake.

I’d post a pic of that inset, but my photo sharing site doesn’t seem to be working.

Just like clockwork, it's always the gun's fault.

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Originally posted by 12131:
Just like clockwork, it's always the gun's fault.

People really hate to be thought of as stupid, so they invent these mythical "design flaws" to make themselves feel better.

It's the same sort of people who, when they finally accept blame for an ND, proudly proclaim that everyone, everywhere who shoots will have an ND one day.

To that I say, bullshit. Only the negligent will have a negligent discharge.

Todays safety tip: Dont shoot yourself.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Todays safety tip: Dont shoot yourself.

That’s akin to Rule #1 at my house, “Don’t get dead”

You guys have hit on one of my biggest pet peeves. The race to reholster. Never understood the fondness for reholstering at speed. I understand police have a need to reholster without taking their eyes off a situation but even that probably does not need to be at full speed. Gamers and civilians basically never have that need.

Slow and steady wins the race and keeps you from shooting your foot.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
You guys have hit on one of my biggest pet peeves. The race to reholster. Never understood the fondness for reholstering at speed. I understand police have a need to reholster without taking their eyes off a situation but even that probably does not need to be at full speed. Gamers and civilians basically never have that need.

Slow and steady wins the race and keeps you from shooting your foot.

This! 1000x this! I can think of a couple specific situations at work where I've had to do this, but it's definitely not the norm. There's no reason you should EVER need to do this in a competition environment, especially not steel challenge.

This one is a news video detailing the issue.
Jump to 1:10 for one on video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HODW0F4eXmo&t=98s

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Originally posted by VictorLouis:
This one is a news video detailing the issue.
Jump to 1:10 for one on video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HODW0F4eXmo&t=98s

That video contains a lot of lawyer speak, and quotes from one guy who is some sort of instructor who clearly thinks the P320 is unsafe, but doesn't explain the technical reasons behind why he thinks this.

There's no explanation as to why the guns might be discharging on their own, and the investigation was unable to re-create the problem with the plainclothes officer's gun. There are no more answers in that video than in anything else I've seen to date.

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Originally posted by VictorLouis:
This one is a news video detailing the issue.
Jump to 1:10 for one on video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HODW0F4eXmo&t=98s

I see a cop that likely has a pull string from his fleece stuck in the holster with his pistol and as he stands up, the shirt pulls up and pulls the trigger.

My bet is they had probably done some warrant serve or something, and he didn’t watch his re-holster.

If I’m not mistaken, current production P320s have two sear notches, plus a striker block. And I also believe they work in opposite directions. So significant bumps could only disengage one of them at a time. Not saying it’s impossible to have multiple mechanical failures, but to my knowledge no mechanical issues have been found.

It’s easy to say, “there’s something wrong with this gun!” Explain how it failed. I’ve explained a likely scenario above. Explain what a mechanical failure would entail.

Now, SIG decided to use physics to avoid a trigger dingus. Could a trigger dingus have helped prevent unintentional trigger movement? Don’t know. A 20# trigger probably would’ve too.

ETA: when a lawyer is on TV trying to tell you something, do not accept his initial premise. They can provide logical steps to get you to a conclusion, but if that initial assumption isn’t factual, you’ll end up askew. In this case, his claim is “his hands are full, so it must be the pistol” without allowing for the clothing interference. If you weigh the preponderance of the evidence, what makes more sense? Multiple mechanical failures that fixed themselves prior to inspection, or the guy had poor safe handling behaviors and rather than have some egg on his face and say “I screwed up” he blames the inanimate object that other have before him, pending credence to the gun being plagued by gremlins?

A more recent article from the same reporter..
https://www.wisn.com/article/m...emails-show/41322844

This is from 2019.

Seemed real to me and I at least felt the guy was being honest, but I've been taken in before.

What I could not understand is not wanting the pistol back after Sig diagnosed what the problem was.

As for the fast re-holstering.. I realized while taking a defensive hand gun class that I was doing the same thing.... natural inclination since you are training yourself to draw aim and fire as fast as possible is to 'stay' fast when putting the gun back in the holster... I had to train myself to go back into slow gear when doing this.

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Originally posted by BlackLion:
A more recent article from the same reporter..
https://www.wisn.com/article/m...emails-show/41322844

More lawyer speak, and no technical explanation of how the lackmof a safety lever spring contributed to the ND. The article tries to make it sound like Sig left a part out on the MPD guns. That's not the case at all. The safety lever spring hasn't been a factory part for years. It was already discontinued when I went through the armorer's course back in early 2020. They even talked about it specifically and explained why it is no longer necessary. The only one I've ever actually seen was in the FCU of a gun that was produced before the "voluntary upgrade".

Seemed real to me as well - the issue here, is that Sig did in fact have problems with their drop safety in the past on the 320, and it was "fixed". However, there have been numerous reports of 320 LEO pistols that have discharged in their holsters. Now if these pistols were ever sent in for the drop safety report, i'm not sure of. But I do understand not trusting a pistol after it goes off randomly... Let's say you're carrying appendix. I DEFINITLY would not trust that pistol again... just sayin