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If you are thinking Glock, look at the G19 (9mm). Balance, handling, size and accuracy are great (at least for me). Ammo is affordable and it carries great! But I still really like my SIG229! | |||
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I cant believe this thing is 68 pages long!! Now go read 'em all. | |||
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Certified All Positions |
I can't believe it's not butter, spray! Arc. ______________________________ "Like a bitter weed, I'm a bad seed"- Johnny Cash "I'm a loner, Dottie. A rebel." - Pee Wee Herman Rode hard, put away wet. RIP JHM "You're a junkyard dog." - Lupe Flores. RIP | |||
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I'm pretty darn happy with my G20SF. Especially with Double Tap or Buffalo Bore 180s in it. Hoo AHHHHHHH!!!!!! SIGnature: Jere | |||
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A Watchful Guardian |
Why must you taunt me, dude?  You know, full well, that I've been suppressing the urge to buy a Glock 20 for quite some time.  -BK "If it's all the same to you, I'd really prefer to visit the range." | |||
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I will buy another Glock if and when the Gen4 G21SF comes out. Google, It can make you look smarter than you are. Only the Sigs *.*.*.*.*.*.*.* P220 AB 9mmEU P226 JG P228 KE P229 Pre-rail P239 Tactical | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
And don't forget the Glock Carbine! Just around the corner. Yep, any day now. | |||
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He test me! He test me! You evil do'er! | |||
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Don't tease me like that about the carbine. I just figure that all the Gen2 Glocks made the transition to Gen3. Why not to Gen4? Seriously? Google, It can make you look smarter than you are. Only the Sigs *.*.*.*.*.*.*.* P220 AB 9mmEU P226 JG P228 KE P229 Pre-rail P239 Tactical | |||
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CAPT Obvious |
As much as I loved my Sig handguns, I've ended up with a G19 RTF2 as my only pistol. It's rugged, fits my hands well, and requires minimal maintenance. It'll probably be the only handgun I own for quite some time as I work on getting through school. | |||
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I'm torn between a 17 or a 19. ______________________________________________________________________________ "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet." - General James N. Mattis, USMC | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
You need a four Glock set; 17, 19, 26 and 34.  | |||
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Yeah I know. If I can't choose, I should just get both. ______________________________________________________________________________ "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet." - General James N. Mattis, USMC | |||
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Glocks are elegantly and sparsely designed for a certain no-frills price point. German engineers are ruthlessly efficient in meeting design constraints--it is no coincidence they produce the best firearms and the best automobile if you disregard price points. For the money there is no better to be had. Glock Safe Action Pistols are effective within their design parameters at their price point, but they have weaknesses due to the trade offs made to keep that price point. A poignant example is their partially-unsupported chamber for calibers larger than the original 9mm caliber design. FOr most shooters most of the time, this is not an issue. But shooters who shoot a lot and use re-manufactured rounds or re-loads experience "Ka-booms". Essentially the brass fails at the unsupported point in the chamber and the exhaust gases blow down the magazine port distressing the polymer frame and causing significant damage to the firearm and sometimes it's operator. NOw these events are rare and can virtually be eliminated by not using re-manufactured rounds or re-loads but it can happen in rare instances with a flawed manufacturer's round. It is up to you and how you view the tradeoffs of risk and expense and we all have different curves and where they intersect for us. Me? I'll stick with Sig Sauer firearms (and maybe H&K) for their quality design and reliability over most of the product line though it's always 'caveat emptor' with any product. Sig has their lemons and 'works in progress' as does everyone else. I own a P229 Equinox in .40S&W and I really like being able to drop in the .357 SIG barrel or the .22 LR conversion and have it work reliably. I know you can fix the unsupported chamber with an after-market barrel (such as Bar-sto). But I choose not to. The pistol is heavy but solid and exceeds my expectations on every level. I have fired Glocks and while they are great for what they are in their simplicity, I cannot say that about them--the corners cut for simplicity are not always to my liking. That is personal and my own choice. I like a de-cocker. I like a visible hammer as a safety check. I like an alloy frame with heft and durability. If I want a poly frame, Sig makes them or I'll buy a Glock in 9mm only or an H&K. This is my personal preference and reasoning. We all have freedom of choice. Good luck and good shooting with your choice. | |||
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What you really meant to say was "I lust for a G19, but I'm rationalizing it away...for now". Right?! In all seriousness, Welcome to the forum. | |||
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LOL. Good one. There are Glock 9mms in my future perhaps but nothing bigger. Nothing says rough and ready like a Glock 26 (except maybe a P238 if .380 is enough punch and often it is) they are elegant in their simplicity. But Sigs are no worse. I wrestled with the G19 versus P239 for a while--I decided P239 because I can shoot 9mm, 40 S&W, and 357 SIG plus .22 LR from one frame with the Sig with a supported chamber--admittedly with more cost individually, but cost savings overall. The GLock 26/27 are clearly superior firepower over the P238 but at the cost of being less concealable--they are fat compared to the Walther-PPK-like P238. Ballistics is a science, self-defense is a crap shoot of tradeoffs and percentages. Carrying a cannon is not always feasible and you pick your poison. Good luck and stay safe. | |||
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Yea, if/when I get a Glock it will be 9mm...probably a 17. Or a 10mm. | |||
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Early 40cal casings that had thin walls also contributed to the KB thing. Glock has silently improved the chamber support in recent years. In 357SIG Glock has always had excellent chamber support-one of the reasons I chose one in that caliber. Bill HK, Glock, Walther and SIG are my choice in handguns. Weapon Shield CLP for all pistol care. It is a hell of a lot easier to get out of jail than it is to get out of the morgue... | |||
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I only wish those German BMW's, MB's, and Audi's were as efficient, reliable, durable, and without frou frou frills as an Austrian Glock. __________________________ They keep saying they just want "sensible gun laws" but they hold up countries where they are banned and confiscated as their ideal. Antis thinks guns are only good for killing people. I think guns are good for self defense. So I'm the one with the "problem"? The Bill of Rights affirms the Rights of the Individual Not the State. Anyone tells me different is a liar. “The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”― Christopher Hitchens | |||
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There is a reason why the 19 is the most popular handgun made. Not my favorite caliber (.45, .40) but there's something about the 19 that just works. It shoots right, it rides on the hip right, it rides in the hand right, everything is right about the 19. Para's a Sig guy and he figured it out. I figured it out too but it took awhile. I like my Sigs but I carry the 19. I would depend on it come whatever. SIGnature: Jere | |||
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