You will buy a Glock

July 29, 2023, 01:10 AM

iron chef

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Originally posted by GP40X:
Uh, no I won't. I learned to shoot pistol with a 1911...

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Now if they were to make a Glock with a real mans grip angle (18°), I MIGHT and I mean MIGHT consider shooting another Glock. Not bad guns, just not for me.

Polymer 80, PSA Dagger, Zev OZ9, Shadow Systems, BUL Armory Axe, Nomad Defense, SCT, Timberwolf, Grey Ghost Precision all make Glock frames (or complete Glock Gen3 pattern clones) that use 18° grip angle, and those are just the brands I can think of off the top of my head.

July 29, 2023, 07:26 AM

WRAM1

I’ve bought and sold several Glocks over the years but there are always a couple in the stable. I usually keep them stock and they run just fine.

July 29, 2023, 07:34 AM

vjb.knife1

I used to own a Glock model 20 10mm full size. It was OK, not great, not bad. Very reliable and relatively accurate. I sold it and got a SIG 220 in 10mm, which was a much nicer gun but lacked the capacity of the Glock. So, I sold the SIG and recently bought a Springfield Armory XDM in 10mm, which has been totally reliable, more accurate than the Glock and Higher capacity. The XDM looks and feels better than the Glock with the accuracy of the SIG and 16 round magazines.

That is the only Glock I have ever owned in 47 years of firearms ownership, and likely ever will be. I don't see any reason to buy another one. All my other bases are covered by H&K, SA, Volquartsen and Ruger.

It's not that I really dislike Glock, I just think they are pretty plain average pitols and there are better choices out there.

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July 29, 2023, 07:42 AM

parabellum

The prophecy fulfilled

July 29, 2023, 07:56 AM

RogueJSK

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Originally posted by GP40X:
I grab a Glock with it's stupid 22° grip angle and all I am shooting is the range roof or the sky... The one time I rented one to see how it shot, I got the worst case of Slide Bite I ever had so I just say no.

You remind me of me, back when I first shot a Glock - my newly issued duty Glock 22. I had the same two complaints - steeper grip angle than I was used to, and slide bite. The grip angle issue was fairly easily trainable, but I just had to deal with the slide bite every time I shot it.

That went on for several years, until I discovered there's an easy solution for both of our complaints, an inexpensive product called the Grip Force Adapter. It adds a beavertail to prevent slide bite, and it modifies the grip angle to be a few degrees more vertical. (The factory Glock beavertails on the Gen 4 and Gen 5 only address the slide bite while keeping the factory grip angle, although you can cut down a factory beavertail to mimic the GFA and achieve the same effect.)

It's what helped me to learn to embrace the Glock. Now I own six, plus my issued Glock 17, all with Grip Force Adapters installed. Although I do usually carry a P320C or P365X, on and off duty.

July 29, 2023, 01:35 PM

Vgex

Just picked this G21 Gen 5 up for my B&T chassis. Now I just need a black threaded barrel. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any available at this time, so looks like I will be waiting a while.

July 29, 2023, 03:20 PM

P220 Smudge

quote:
Originally posted by GP40X:
Uh, no I won't. I learned to shoot pistol with a 1911 and can point shoot to almost minute of accuracy. I grab a Glock with it's stupid 22° grip angle and all I am shooting is the range roof or the sky... The one time I rented one to see how it shot, I got the worst case of Slide Bite I ever had so I just say no. Now if they were to make a Glock with a real mans grip angle (18°), I MIGHT and I mean MIGHT consider shooting another Glock. Not bad guns, just not for me.

They've come factory with two choices of beavertail backstrap for nigh on a decade now. Like you, they used to slide track me, but I use the beavertails and they don't now. You might give another one a go. There's more than a few really competent shooters who can shoot better than minute of accuracy who picked up a Glock and made it work fine because they applied the fundamentals. If a 4° difference has you putting rounds in the ceiling, some time with an instructor might benefit you even if you stick with 1911's.

July 29, 2023, 08:11 PM

kidcop

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Originally posted by dry-fly:
Well, I needed it like a hole in my head… but I picked up a LEO trade in Gen 5, Glock 17 today. The $370 price tag made it hard to pass up.

Some agency is trading in Gen 5s already? That's nuts.

Maybe they are transitioning to P320s...

July 29, 2023, 08:58 PM

RogueJSK

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Originally posted by kidcop:
Some agency is trading in Gen 5s already? That's nuts.

Maybe they are transitioning to P320s...

Or G45s. Or G47s. Or they're going with red dots for all their officers and trading in their remaining standard G17s for G17 MOSs.

Or perhaps that agency was an early adopter of the Gen 5 and now are hitting the point where they need newer night sights and springs... DaBigBR broke down the reasoning a few years back in another thread:

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Originally posted by DaBigBR:
The realities of department-wide gun replacement coupled with very favorable trade-in deals from manufacturers and distributors make just getting new guns more logical than you might think.

Most agencies have night sights. They last 7-10 years at the most. Replacements cost $75-$100 depending on brand and model (Glock brand night sights are cheap, Trijicon HDs less so). Over the same period, various parts, particularly springs, reach the end of their service lives. Magazines wear out. Etc.

I can probably get new night sights, recoil springs, and magazines for about $150 per gun. I can save about $40 replacing mag springs. I can also trade my 7-10 year old Glock in for a new one at a cost of $165 and have all new everything.

When you factor in armorer time to replace sights, the logistics involved in getting the sights, guns, tools, and people all to a place where the sights can be installed and zeroed, and then extrapolate that out to a state agency with hundreds or even thousands of officers spread over a wide geographical area, it's no wonder that agencies just get new guns. Remember that in MOST agencies, being a firearms instructor or an armorer is a collateral job, so every hour a guy spends putting on sights is an hour he's not on patrol or working on cases.

July 30, 2023, 12:22 PM

jljones

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Originally posted by kidcop:
quote:
Originally posted by dry-fly:
Well, I needed it like a hole in my head… but I picked up a LEO trade in Gen 5, Glock 17 today. The $370 price tag made it hard to pass up.

Some agency is trading in Gen 5s already? That's nuts.

Maybe they are transitioning to P320s...

We’ve traded a number of our Gen5s in already.

August 01, 2023, 08:28 AM

Ironbutt

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Originally posted by Vgex:
Just picked this G21 Gen 5 up for my B&T chassis. Now I just need a black threaded barrel. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any available at this time, so looks like I will be waiting a while.

G21s with a TLR-1 were our duty guns before I retired 10 years ago. They were big, fat, ugly things,

but we had training days at the range every month, rain, snow, ice, or shine, and I don't recall one ever going down.

August 01, 2023, 12:10 PM

sig 226

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Originally posted by jljones:
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Originally posted by kidcop:
quote:
Originally posted by dry-fly:
Well, I needed it like a hole in my head… but I picked up a LEO trade in Gen 5, Glock 17 today. The $370 price tag made it hard to pass up.

Some agency is trading in Gen 5s already? That's nuts.

Maybe they are transitioning to P320s...

We’ve traded a number of our Gen5s in already.

Were you guys an early adopter? Mind sharing if you recycled to newer versions or moved to something different eg RDS?

August 01, 2023, 01:36 PM

CPD SIG

quote:
Originally posted by Ironbutt:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vgex:
Just picked this G21 Gen 5 up for my B&T chassis. Now I just need a black threaded barrel. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any available at this time, so looks like I will be waiting a while.

G21s with a TLR-1 were our duty guns before I retired 10 years ago. They were big, fat, ugly things, but we had training days at the range every month, rain, snow, ice, or shine, and I don't recall one ever going down.

AAARRGGHH!!!!!
Long story short- the people that come up with my departments weapons policy are morons.

My department wants to transition to 9mm only one day. Thru attrition they are phasing out .40 and .45.
I'm one of the older generation .45 fans.

They are slowly phasing in the RMR/red-dots for handguns.

I have a 3rd Gen G-21, and would like to get a 5th Gen G-21 MOS. Toss a RMR & a WML on there, and I have a new duty weapon.
no-can-do-buck-a-roo!

If I "need" (as in my original weapon is now non-functional) to replace it, it has to be with another 3rd Gen.

August 01, 2023, 01:42 PM

moelepo

quote:
Originally posted by GP40X:
Uh, no I won't. I learned to shoot pistol with a 1911 and can point shoot to almost minute of accuracy. I grab a Glock with it's stupid 22° grip angle and all I am shooting is the range roof or the sky... The one time I rented one to see how it shot, I got the worst case of Slide Bite I ever had so I just say no. Now if they were to make a Glock with a real mans grip angle (18°), I MIGHT and I mean MIGHT consider shooting another Glock. Not bad guns, just not for me.

Can point shoot to almost MOA with a 1911? Hell, I'd love it if I could almost point shoot an HOA (hour of angle) with a pistol.