I ordered a trigger to try.

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Originally posted by Chowser:
I ordered a trigger to try.

Same request for you as well

"Must be installed by a professional gunsmith or Glock armorer."

Sure. You bet. I never learned how to drift pins.

Freakin' lawyers

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Originally posted by parabellum:
"Must be installed by a... or Glock armorer."

I say this with a whole, whopping 2 Armorers Classes under my belt. A 1911 class and a Glock class.

To be fair, a Glock Armorer is kinda like someone that went to a Lego Building class and got a certificate.

It's not really rocket surgery

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Freakin' lawyers

Which ones, the ones that wrote it or the ones that caused them to have to write it... or maybe both....

So basically, it's converting your Glock to a fully-cocked striker, where pulling the trigger simply drops the sear out of the way to release the striker and allow it to fall...just like the P320. Seems we had a long discussion about this type of design on here not all that long ago...

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
So basically, it's converting your Glock to a fully-cocked striker, where pulling the trigger simply drops the sear out of the way to release the striker and allow it to fall...just like the P320. Seems we had a long discussion about this type of design on here not all that long ago...

The new performance trigger (made by Timney, not Glock) is drop-safe. If you watch this video, you can get a close look at the design and an explanation of how it works. Take a look at it and tell me whether or not you think this trigger is as safe as the stock trigger.

Apparently, Mr. Glock made this video before he knew that Timney designed and manufactures it, because several times he hints that it looks like Glock ripped off Timney. He's also very halting in his delivery and though I understand that his remarks in the video are extemporaneous, given that he had just gotten his hands on this new trigger, I still find it a bit frustrating to listen to.

Anyone who thinks Glock is going to introduce an unsafe trigger for their pistols- especially after witnessing what SIG went through with the P320- doesn't know much about Glock as a company.

While I don’t think there will be issues with this trigger and there are plenty of other “single action” strikers on the market, I prefer the half cocked striker concept. That said I am ultimately a DA/SA troglodyte at heart so personal bias and all that.

I wonder if this will bring a Glock up to something like a PPQ in terms of feel?

Looking into this further, it may be that only the trigger shoe and trigger safety are made by Timney, although I find it odd that a company founded on molded plastic parts would need to farm out a trigger shoe. It could be that the shoe was an already existing part and therefore it might be cheaper to obtain the part from a vendor rather than developing a mold for it.

I've emailed Timney to inquire and hopefully I'll get a response shortly. Then again, it's the first day of SHOT, so I may be waiting a while.

I definitely don't think it's unsafe...not do I think the P320 is unsafe, and I've argued that point here several times. I just find it interesting that many have criticized the design of the P320 compared to the Glock, but now Glock is releasing a trigger system that functions in the same way. Maybe it's not actually that dangerous after all...

Even though the original Glock system keeps the striker at half cocked, I for one would not stand in front of it if it released from that position with a live round chambered. If in good working order unmodified would it release from that half cocked position? Nope not even if dropped. Now they have a system that keeps the striker fully cocked. Perfectly safe and Sig has solved that issue so we just move on.

I am so fascinated right now that Glock made the Timney a factory option. More or less.

People like Taran Butler have been fans of the Timney since it came out.

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Even though the original Glock system keeps the striker at half cocked, I for one would not stand in front of it

I mean I wouldn’t stand in front of a decocked DA/SA or a revolver for that matter.

So if Glock is now endorsing the fully cocked striker mechanism, are they going to look to migrate this to production guns, as opposed to an aftermarket addition? It's not like there aren't a bunch of striker guns on the market (AFAIK most of them, other than Glock), that come with fully cocked striker mechanisms.

I don't anticipate that. One thing to note- if you watched the Johnny Glock video on this trigger, you know that he recommends not disassembling the trigger assembly, and if I understand correctly, it requires the removal of the ejector from the trigger housing.

I expect Glock to keep putting the usual trigger into Gen5 pistols and sell the Performance Trigger as an accessory.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
So if Glock is now endorsing the fully cocked striker mechanism, are they going to look to migrate this to production guns, as opposed to an aftermarket addition?

Never say never, but Glock has reportedly said that they are not currently planning to offer this trigger installed from the factory.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
he recommends not disassembling the trigger assembly, and if I understand correctly, it requires the removal of the ejector from the trigger housing

Correct. Per the Glock armorer manual supplement for this trigger, disassembly of the new Performance Trigger requires removing the ejector in order to access the sear holder assembly and trigger spring. It also involves the use of a hexagonal slave pin during a portion of the trigger reassembly. (I'm unclear if the trigger comes with that slave pin, or if an armorer has to order that part separately.)

But provided it's packaged and shipped in a manner that precludes the assembly from being jostled apart, the complete trigger assembly appears to just be a straight drop-in for a Gen 5 Glock, without the need to deal with slave pins and ejectors.

I have three of the Glock Performance Triggers and they will be replacing my Timneys. I’ve installed one into a g17 thus far. For comparison, this 17 used to have a Timney with the Johnny Glock combat conversion kit. I prefer the GPT overall to the Timney. They feel very very similar in break. The GPT has less over travel and a much stronger reset but the pre travel on the Timney is lighter due to the different trigger return spring setups - I also prefer the metal shoe of the Timney. However, I see no reason to own a Timney in a Glock anymore as the GPT design is considerably better in that it is inherently safer (due to the supported sear) and that it is likely a more robust/reliable system. From JGs video, it seems as though the GPT can likely take a current Glock aftermarket trigger shoe. What may be nice is buying Timneys shoe and putting it in the GPT system.

I will also say that I installed a JG plus connector in the 17 with the GPT and am getting a very hard wall with an extremely crisp 6lb break. With a 5.5 connector, the trigger is very reminiscent of a stock PDP trigger but with a slightly heavier take up.

Well, that's interesting. Thanks for the information. The comparison to the Walther PDP is fitting, since the Walther uses a single action mechanism, and if that's what the GPT is like, I'm sure to be happy with the one I've ordered. The PPQ has IMO the best stock trigger pull of all striker fired pistols. The PDP is essentially the same.

Regarding changing the trigger shoe, I favor a rounded trigger face. I can't recall if Overwatch ever sold just the shoe for their Falx trigger but it's not showing on their website now, just the entire trigger with attached bar.

I'd be fine with the GPT with the stock Glock shoe.

Then again, I may end up liking the GPT just as it comes.

I'm really curious who makes the trigger. I haven't heard back from Timney.

Lane has been pretty reliable about Glock stuff over the years.

The FBI??



OK, yeah, that makes sense, since the FBI is using the G17M and G19M, which are, of course, gen 5 pistols.

So, I guess Timney won't be responding to my query

I'm glad to hear this trigger is manufactured by Glock. I imagine production for it is stateside at the Smyrna facility.

That being the case, how do we account for this?: