Originally posted by BBMW: Trigger crisp? Glock???????
Not compared to a 1911. Clearly. I'd put most 1911s in a higher dining class because of the trigger alone.
Compared to every Sig I own. Sigs have other good qualities but trigger reset is not one of them IMO.
A Glock and a Big Mac are not at all equivalent.
Are Glocks not the most popular semi-auto handgun in the Country?
Can't you find them in any gunshop?
Isn't McDonalds the most popular burger joint in the Country?
Can't you find one almost everywhere?
Isn't there a consistency in the products of both?
Certainly a gun like the Sig 210 is the "Haute Cuisine" of the handgun world, so where would that put a common available everywhere pistol?
FWIW I would tend to say the HiPoint pistols are the 7-11 burritos of the pistol world.
August 22, 2011, 02:42 PM
Ian111
The 1911 is equivalent to the the American hamburger or steak. Everyone and anyone can make it and everyone makes slightly different version of it. No one has to pay any licensing fees for it nor fear of being sued for stealing intellectual property. From McDonalds to the nicest sit down restaurants that call their french fries, pomme frites. From a steak at your local Denny's to Mastro's/Mortons/Ruth Chris in Beverly Hills.
A Glock is something no one else can make. In that sense its like Apple's iPhone. Its the most common and most popular smart phone. Just like Glock is the most popular polymer sevice pistol. No can make an iPhone just like no one can make a Glock. But they make polymer pistols similar to Glock just like they try to make smart phones similar to the iPhone without getting sued. Both Apple and Glock are hated and resented for being pioneers in their market, their dominance in the market, and their fanbois.
__________________________ They keep saying they just want "sensible gun laws" but they hold up countries where they are banned and confiscated as their ideal. Antis thinks guns are only good for killing people. I think guns are good for self defense. So I'm the one with the "problem"? The Bill of Rights affirms the Rights of the Individual Not the State. Anyone tells me different is a liar.
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August 22, 2011, 03:21 PM
BBMW
I've shots SIGs in close time proximity to shooting Glocks. It wasn't the Glock trigger I ended up enamoured with.
Also, we may have a bit of a terminology issue here. When I think about the crispness of a trigger, I'm thinking how it breaks, not how (or where) it resets.) The SIGs I've shot always had a sweet, clean break. Not so much Glocks.
Of course, Glocks don't have the heavy, long DA first shot that SIGs do.
Mind you, there are things I love about Glock. )They do the best job of designing the most gun into the smallest, lightest package.) But the trigger isn't one of them.
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Originally posted by FriedRice:
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Originally posted by BBMW: Trigger crisp? Glock???????
Not compared to a 1911. Clearly. I'd put most 1911s in a higher dining class because of the trigger alone.
Compared to every Sig I own. Sigs have other good qualities but trigger reset is not one of them IMO.
A Glock and a Big Mac are not at all equivalent.
August 22, 2011, 03:29 PM
SC_Mike
I guess I'll post in here now.
Picked up a G17 gen 3 NIB, unfired at a LGS for $455.00 out the door. Shoots great right out of the box, 200 rounds not one stumble.
Well, seeing as we're on SIGForum, SIGs are probably the best point of comparison.
I've never shot an XD
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Originally posted by 1lowlife:
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Originally posted by BBMW: Trigger crisp? Glock???????
Compared to my 1911s? No...
Compared to the 4 XD pistols I owned (and sold)? Yes..
August 22, 2011, 03:38 PM
BBMW
Actually, to your point, I'm pretty sure if someone wanted to make a Glock clone, they probaby could. If seen aftermarket barrels and frames, so I can't think a whole gun would be off limits. And with the rampent copying of the M1911 and M16/AR15 designs, there's probably no legal problem with doing it. You cold also legitimately call the S&W M&P line a Glock clone.
But, yes, Glock was a pioneer, and very much hit the target they were aiming at.
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Originally posted by Ian111: The 1911 is equivalent to the the American hamburger or steak. Everyone and anyone can make it and everyone makes slightly different version of it. No one has to pay any licensing fees for it nor fear of being sued for stealing intellectual property. From McDonalds to the nicest sit down restaurants that call their french fries, pomme frites. From a steak at your local Denny's to Mastro's/Mortons/Ruth Chris in Beverly Hills.
A Glock is something no one else can make. In that sense its like Apple's iPhone. Its the most common and most popular smart phone. Just like Glock is the most popular polymer sevice pistol. No can make an iPhone just like no one can make a Glock. But they make polymer pistols similar to Glock just like they try to make smart phones similar to the iPhone without getting sued. Both Apple and Glock are hated and resented for being pioneers in their market, their dominance in the market, and their fanbois.
August 22, 2011, 03:39 PM
BBMW
Really, you carry a 17? That's a fairly big honkin' gun. I'm surprised you don't carry a 19 or 26. I think they'd carry more easily.
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Originally posted by FriedRice: BBMW, okay, I get you now. I'm speaking of trigger reset. My Sigs' trigger reset is a bit mushy. There are many aspects of my Sigs I enjoy. That is not one of them. It is an aspect of my G17 that I enjoy. It also shaves a fraction of a second off my time when I am shooting for speed.
I like Ian11's comparison better than the food comparison.
August 22, 2011, 04:05 PM
parabellum
countrygun, do me a favor and find some other thread in which to dribble that crap.
You'd be doing yourself a favor as well, quite frankly.
August 22, 2011, 04:26 PM
Preacher99
Picked up a G17 to go with my G19 and G27. I love my sig and HK but hard to go wrong with a Glock especially in 9mm.
August 22, 2011, 04:59 PM
Czechvar
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Originally posted by FriedRice: No, I can't conceal a G17.
I just ordered a waist pouch from the NRA Store for times like bicycling or fishing. I saw people with these things all over the Mall of America...Probably without guns in them though...Bet it would hold a G17...
Originally posted by BBMW: Actually, to your point, I'm pretty sure if someone wanted to make a Glock clone, they probaby could. If seen aftermarket barrels and frames, so I can't think a whole gun would be off limits. And with the rampent copying of the M1911 and M16/AR15 designs, there's probably no legal problem with doing it. You cold also legitimately call the S&W M&P line a Glock clone.
But, yes, Glock was a pioneer, and very much hit the target they were aiming at.
The AR, M1911, and CZ is basically "public domain". I'm not an intellectual property of patent lawyer nor am I lawyer of any kind but basically pretty much all patents and intellectual property expires after a certain time. The AR, M1911, and CZ75 designs are open for anyone to make. Everyone from Les Baer, a factory in China or Turkey, or Bubba living down the street can make them without fear of being sued.
The Glock pistol is another story. There's enough unique aspects to Glock's design which allowed them to have an International Patent. No one. Not even China, Turkey, or Brazil(as of yet) has attempted to make true Glock clone.
Springfield and S&W probably had their lawyers look over the XD and M&P designs respectively to make sure there was just enough of a difference so they won't get dragged into court. Similar to the way S&W was sued by Glock over the Sigma. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26W_Sigma
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The Sigma series pistols are so similar to the competing Glock pistols that Glock sued Smith & Wesson for patent infringement. The case was settled out of court in 1997, with S&W agreeing to make alterations to the Sigma design and pay an undisclosed amount to Glock.[1]
__________________________ They keep saying they just want "sensible gun laws" but they hold up countries where they are banned and confiscated as their ideal. Antis thinks guns are only good for killing people. I think guns are good for self defense. So I'm the one with the "problem"? The Bill of Rights affirms the Rights of the Individual Not the State. Anyone tells me different is a liar.
“The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.”― Christopher Hitchens
August 22, 2011, 06:32 PM
heavyd
I have to decide between selling my only glock or my only 1911, which is my competition gun. This is too much of a life decision. Of course, if I sell the glock I can always "buy a Glock" later...
Originally posted by heavyd: Of course, if I sell the glock I can always "buy a Glock" later...
That you can. There are only like eleventy billion Glocks out there.
August 22, 2011, 06:47 PM
jeremiahjj
Might be a bit hard to find a new OD.
SIGnature: Jere
August 22, 2011, 07:06 PM
signv
I'm NOT buying a plastic Glock! Not even a gift. Metal is for guns.
August 22, 2011, 07:23 PM
BBMW
Even if that"s the case, patents generally last 17 years. The basic Block design has been around longer than that.
Edit: Just noticed the Freudian slip / typo
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Originally posted by Ian111:
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Originally posted by BBMW: Actually, to your point, I'm pretty sure if someone wanted to make a Glock clone, they probaby could. If seen aftermarket barrels and frames, so I can't think a whole gun would be off limits. And with the rampent copying of the M1911 and M16/AR15 designs, there's probably no legal problem with doing it. You cold also legitimately call the S&W M&P line a Glock clone.
But, yes, Glock was a pioneer, and very much hit the target they were aiming at.
The AR, M1911, and CZ is basically "public domain". I'm not an intellectual property of patent lawyer nor am I lawyer of any kind but basically pretty much all patents and intellectual property expires after a certain time. The AR, M1911, and CZ75 designs are open for anyone to make. Everyone from Les Baer, a factory in China or Turkey, or Bubba living down the street can make them without fear of being sued.
The Glock pistol is another story. There's enough unique aspects to Glock's design which allowed them to have an International Patent. No one. Not even China, Turkey, or Brazil(as of yet) has attempted to make true Glock clone.
Springfield and S&W probably had their lawyers look over the XD and M&P designs respectively to make sure there was just enough of a difference so they won't get dragged into court. Similar to the way S&W was sued by Glock over the Sigma. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26W_Sigma
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The Sigma series pistols are so similar to the competing Glock pistols that Glock sued Smith & Wesson for patent infringement. The case was settled out of court in 1997, with S&W agreeing to make alterations to the Sigma design and pay an undisclosed amount to Glock.[1]
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August 22, 2011, 07:34 PM
heavyd
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Originally posted by parabellum:
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Originally posted by heavyd: Of course, if I sell the glock I can always "buy a Glock" later...
That you can. There are only like eleventy billion Glocks out there.
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