I'm thinking about getting one of these and don't know much about this specific brands, which of the three is the most reliable for a house duty. Do you think that pistols with a brace have a future in the US?.Which is the most reliable?Kriss vector SDP gen 2PTR 9CZenith Z 5RS
June 18, 2018, 07:14 PM
12131
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Do you think that pistols with a brace have a future in the US?.
You should ask the ATF this question.
Q
June 18, 2018, 07:47 PM
Inusuit
The BATFE is getting entirely too many questions about arm braces, which may lead them to give an answer none of us will like.
Buy a brace and keep your mouth shut.
June 18, 2018, 07:59 PM
1s1k
Come on you’re on a Sig forum so the logical answer is MPX.
You might also want to include the CZ Scorpion.
June 18, 2018, 08:01 PM
hrcjon
I wouldn't pick any of those. MPX, Scorpion or best probably is an AR in 9. FWIW>
“So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.”
June 18, 2018, 08:20 PM
LincolnSixEcho
Another vote for CZ Scorpion Evo
June 18, 2018, 10:52 PM
BBMW
I think they're past that point. They even seemed to have gotten away from trying to stop people from shouldering the things.
As long as The Donald is in the White House, I don't see the ATF being too aggressive about issues like this.
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Originally posted by Inusuit: The BATFE is getting entirely too many questions about arm braces, which may lead them to give an answer none of us will like.
Buy a brace and keep your mouth shut.
June 18, 2018, 11:28 PM
dusty3030
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Originally posted by LincolnSixEcho: Another vote for CZ Scorpion Evo
Ditto
June 19, 2018, 06:17 AM
gunnitt
I think you should consider the CZ Scorpion evo. I used to own a Kriss, but it is very awkward especially for the house gun you propose, but it may fit you better. I have a Scorpion evo pistol with the brace and fold to the side adapter and its easy to carry, and store, and shoots great. The size is why Ive gotten rid of my 12 gg shotgun as my house gun. The mags are inexpensive and the Manticore mags are great. Good shopping!
June 19, 2018, 07:41 AM
black1970
9 MM AR with 14 inch barrel. Fun gun.
June 19, 2018, 08:47 AM
ccmdfd
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Originally posted by hrcjon: I wouldn't pick any of those. MPX, Scorpion or best probably is an AR in 9. FWIW>
+1. Have them both and like them both.
In terms of brace's future. I do wish people would quit poking the bear (or hornet's nest) with all of the internet posts and youtube videos and discussion of how they are circumventing the NFA.
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June 19, 2018, 09:23 AM
myrottiety
If you like the scorpion out of the box. That's your buy. But I looked and hated the rail, safety, + buying brace.
That put me nearly into MPX territory. So I just spent the extra few bucks on the MPX.
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June 19, 2018, 10:07 AM
DSgrouse
While not a pistol I have an MPX carbine and Kriss Vector CRB. out of the two, the manual of arms gives the edge to the MPX combined with the weight.
Rainier arms gives a good break down of what is available.
Even thought i have both of those, if i was going to enter this game. I would look seriously at Freedom Ordinance's FX9
Just got a PTR 9ct a little over a week ago. Short trip to the range was great, no problems in 200 rounds. Double taping center mass targets from 25 yards was a breeze. The brace and mlok forearm were included plus it’s American made.
I’m sure you will enjoy any of those choices.
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June 21, 2018, 09:48 AM
soggy_spinout
Yeah...a G34 with a brace...
Sorry, but that's the image that conjured up in my head when I first read the topic line for the thread a few days ago.
The Zenith I've shot and liked. Very MP5. The PTR looks to be similar, just not quite as convincing to me. Doesn't quite channel the MP5 mystique as well for whatever reason. Probably just me.
The Vector is unfortunately a Kriss product; after dealing with their poor excuse of a CS department on behalf of problematic guns belonging to customers, I swore an oath (and up and down as well) never to have any personal dealings with that company again.
However when it comes down to the bottom line, I would pick none of these. I've never cared much for the CZ EVO myself, but loads of folk love it to death and for good reasons. Myself I rather have an AR-style 9mm, which is why I have a MPX and a Quarter Circle 10 Glock pattern build (carbine, with a pistol build soon to follow once I gather up the remaining bits).
June 21, 2018, 02:24 PM
JRC
I have both the MPX (Gen 1), for which I got a ILWT 4.5" barrel for (SBR'd). Also have a Zenith Z-5P with a SBT folding brace.
Both run like sewing machines and not a hiccup from either. I will say the Zenith/SBR combination is a little more compact.
Good luck.
June 21, 2018, 03:19 PM
jhe888
Is the whole point of these pistols with braces to get the equivalent of a short barreled rifle without having a tax stamp?
Maybe this is a delicate question, but, I don't see them as useful as actual pistols. I do see them as great short barreled rifles.
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June 21, 2018, 07:51 PM
DSgrouse
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Originally posted by soggy_spinout: Yeah...a G34 with a brace...
Sorry, but that's the image that conjured up in my head when I first read the topic line for the thread a few days ago.
The Zenith I've shot and liked. Very MP5. The PTR looks to be similar, just not quite as convincing to me. Doesn't quite channel the MP5 mystique as well for whatever reason. Probably just me.
The Vector is unfortunately a Kriss product; after dealing with their poor excuse of a CS department on behalf of problematic guns belonging to customers, I swore an oath (and up and down as well) never to have any personal dealings with that company again.
However when it comes down to the bottom line, I would pick none of these. I've never cared much for the CZ EVO myself, but loads of folk love it to death and for good reasons. Myself I rather have an AR-style 9mm, which is why I have a MPX and a Quarter Circle 10 Glock pattern build (carbine, with a pistol build soon to follow once I gather up the remaining bits).
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