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Originally posted by 12131:
Holster makers need to make holsters that properly/safely fit the guns, not the other way around.

Not practical with the footprint of full size weapon lights.

Is the design of the light and/or it's mount positioning it so low relative to the trigger guard that the area lines up with the trigger?

I'm not familiar with this combination of gun/holster/light since I don't have a pistol mounted light on any of my firearms.

It’s because the light is wider than the trigger guard, but both have to fit through the same area. It would be easy for Sig to make a “LEO” grip that helps fill the gap.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
Is the design of the light and/or it's mount positioning it so low relative to the trigger guard that the area lines up with the trigger?

All handgun WMLs are in line with the trigger.



The XC1 is right about the flattest WML on the market, and it's still in line with the top half or more of the trigger.

We seem hung up on the height of the light relative to the trigger guard. The issue is the width of the light which allows that gap between the trigger guard and the sides of the holster. The area of the holster that would normally house the trigger guard has to be wide enough to push the light through. Every light that I know of, even the little Olight I recently purchased, is wider than the width or thickness of the trigger guard.

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Originally posted by 12131:
I'm not even a fan of the P320. Not even close. Actually don't care for it (owned one, let it go). But with all the undeserved blame/lawsuits it has received over the years, there is no reason to have a title implying this model is the culprit again. It's the holster issue, not the gun.

Safariland holstered gun discharged when someone's finger was able to reach inside the trigger guard. How does that sound?

I guess you're right and that would have avoided unintentionally aggravating anyone. I based the thread title on my own reading style which means I'll generally skip threads concerning Glocks, M&Ps etc. and focus on ones about 320s, 220s, 239s and others I own. I wrote it as it would need to be to get my attention.

Back to the real issue-the holster: From what I'm seeing, weapon-mounted lights are pretty much universal. Even though I don't use one, I'm interested in the solutions the holster makers come up with for this on-going problem with ALL makes of duty weapons...

My idea would be for a middle-finger activated break like on my old Safariland 070 Level III that covers the void.

And I know I'm dinosauer, but I still like my old Level III more than the thumb-activated-hood models I've used. But nowdays my retirement job is in the jail and with a Reserve comission, not on patrol.

Yeah, we didn't have a discharge but the dayshift LT complained about the gap in the issued 6000 series Safariland for our Glocks so he made us switch to the new 7 series which does a little better of a job but he retired before switching to the new holster.

We still have some people using the 6 series but every new person that starts gets issued a 7 because we bought a lot of them.

Now Safariland just emailed me something about parts to replace for left handed holsters for glock 17 size.

This problem sounds like a market opportunity to me, notwithstanding a higher level of creativity and possibly battery and lighting technology that does not currently exist. But I don't think those should be a long-term showstopper for anyone.

The problem is not the holster. It’s the dumb ass cop that allowed a child to get their hands on his gun. Frankly, he should be fired.

This wasn’t an “accidental discharge”. The gun did exactly what it was supposed to do. If the deputy had been doing what he was supposed to, this wouldn’t have happened.

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Originally posted by john1:

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Originally posted by 12131:
I'm not even a fan of the P320. Not even close. Actually don't care for it (owned one, let it go). But with all the undeserved blame/lawsuits it has received over the years, there is no reason to have a title implying this model is the culprit again. It's the holster issue, not the gun.

Safariland holstered gun discharged when someone's finger was able to reach inside the trigger guard. How does that sound?

I guess you're right and that would have avoided unintentionally aggravating anyone. I based the thread title on my own reading style which means I'll generally skip threads concerning Glocks, M&Ps etc. and focus on ones about 320s, 220s, 239s and others I own. I wrote it as it would need to be to get my attention.

Back to the real issue-the holster: From what I'm seeing, weapon-mounted lights are pretty much universal. Even though I don't use one, I'm interested in the solutions the holster makers come up with for this on-going problem with ALL makes of duty weapons...

My idea would be for a middle-finger activated break like on my old Safariland 070 Level III that covers the void.

And I know I'm dinosauer, but I still like my old Level III more than the thumb-activated-hood models I've used. But nowdays my retirement job is in the jail and with a Reserve comission, not on patrol.

It still would be wider on the bottom than the holster you used to use to be able to get a light in there. I never liked the rock-hood either. My duty 7000 series is a Level II w/ no rotating hood. Really good weapon retention and still fast to get through the retention devices to get the gun out.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
600 posts in 20 years?

Some folks don’t have much to say.

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The problem is not the holster.

It can't be both?

The holster is definitely a big part of it. A tabbed trigger would likely help reduce the likelihood of it occuring.

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Originally posted by DaBigBR:
A tabbed trigger would likely help reduce the likelihood of it occuring.

Not really. Most of these type of school incidents have happened with Glocks, which have trigger tab safeties.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Not really. Most of these type of school incidents have happened with Glocks, which have trigger tab safeties.

Apples and oranges.

This is our exact setup. A P320 in a 6360 with a TLR-1. I put the press release from the McClain county Sheriff's Office out today so the guys can read it.

If you try hard enough, yes you can get a finger in there. If you negligently allow children to play with your holstered gun, the trigger can get pulled. Even more easily be people with tiny fingers.

One thing to be said for the hood on the Safariland holsters is that they made this pretty much impossible on a hammer-fired gun. A trooper buddy was on station today and I borrowed his duty rig. You can still get a finger on the trigger if you try hard enough, but with the holster's hood up the hammer on his P227 can't come back far enough to fire the gun. Add to that the longer and heavier DA trigger pull, and it's almost idiot-proof.

The fit makes it appear that the hood was a safety feature intentionally built into the design for the hammer-fired P22X guns. But taking that same design and repurposing it for a striker-fired handgun with no hammer to block eliminated a substantial safety function of the hood.

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Originally posted by egregore:

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The problem is not the holster.

It can't be both?

Then we also must blame the gun. This holster has been around forever with little/no issues until we started lowering hiring standards.

Imagine if this loser has such poor situational awareness that he lets a child have access to his gun, what a motivated person wanting to hurt children can do. Agencies have a real bad habit of making their problem children school resource officers and it sure shows here.

Pathetic

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Originally posted by jljones:
It’s the dumb ass cop that allowed a child to get their hands on his gun. Frankly, he should be fired.

Reading the article, I could not imagine how a kid's finger would be anywhere near the holster. "interacting" was he playing grab ass with the kids? And I'm not even talking pedo perv stuff.