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Originally posted by ptruck:
I'm passing on the P320. It didn't feel comfortable in my hand.

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Originally posted by bionic218:

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The big thing I notice is the fact that it is tolerant to bad inputs.

When Jerry says something like this, I STFU and take notes.

I don't expect one will replace my daily carry, and I don't think it will do things my G19 won't do.

However, for the same reasons I own a Colt 1911 and a Beretta 92, the OP is probably right. I probably will buy a Sig 320.

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Originally posted by jljones:
There were a few issues with the early guns, particularly the compacts. One was some slide weight issues, the other was some faulty cut angles on the reliability side.
There are no "serial number ranges" to avoid, it is pretty much a crap shoot. If you have a pistol that has issues, you'll know it pretty quick, as you won't be able to get through two mags without having FTF/FTE problems.

I have been told that most of the guns made after mid 2016 have all the right changes. My new gun was manufactured in September and has been zero issues over about 300 rounds so far.

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Similar non-problem with my 2011 Glock Gen4 G34. Had and still has the original "defective" RSA and ejector.

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Originally posted by sigmoid:
I have an early full size and an early compact.
Both have been flawless and the wife and I run them quite a bit.

What exactly have been the upgrades or changes since the early serial number versions?
(6056 and 27101)

We do get a little trigger slap now and again, has the trigger been updated?
Thanks

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Originally posted by pblanc:

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Originally posted by sigmoid:
I have an early full size and an early compact.
Both have been flawless and the wife and I run them quite a bit.

What exactly have been the upgrades or changes since the early serial number versions?
(6056 and 27101)



We do get a little trigger slap now and again, has the trigger been updated?
Thanks

SIG redesigned the trigger, take down lever, and the slide stop lever, and made minor changes to the grip modules to accommodate the new slide stop lever.

The original trigger seemed to generate complaints of trigger sting so SIG redesigned it to become the so-called "adverse" trigger. If you do a Google search, you can find the differences between the original trigger and the adverse trigger.

People complained about how much the take down lever stuck out, so SIG trimmed down the external part of the lever. Some shooters had a tendency to ride the slide stop lever. The original slide stop lever had a more prominent external portion which projected toward the back of the slide. The new one is trimmed down a bit and projects forward toward the muzzle.

The original grip module had a little molded ridge just below the slide stop lever. The new slide stop lever winds up being well in front of this ridge. The new grip modules have a three sided ridge around the left sided slide stop lever. But the older grip module can be used with the newer slide stop lever. The little ridge is just out of place.

The most common problem I have heard about has been extraction issues, primarily with the 9 mm compacts. I have a 9 mm compact that has had no issues whatsoever. I have read that some who have returned their P320s to SIG for this problem said they came back with an extractor of visibly different design. That would suggest that SIG redesigned the extractor, but if they did I have no idea if all new pistols would be shipping with the new extractor.

Apart from the extractor issue, I have read about a handful of other various issues that appear to have affected only a very few P320 owners. A broken striker channel end plate was mentioned on this forum recently. There have been a couple of fractured trigger bars. And there have been a few P320s that had failure to fire in live fire due to failure of trigger reset.

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Originally posted by pblanc:

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Originally posted by sigmoid:
I have an early full size and an early compact.
Both have been flawless and the wife and I run them quite a bit.

What exactly have been the upgrades or changes since the early serial number versions?
(6056 and 27101)

We do get a little trigger slap now and again, has the trigger been updated?
Thanks

SIG redesigned the trigger, take down lever, and the slide stop lever, and made minor changes to the grip modules to accommodate the new slide stop lever.

The original trigger seemed to generate complaints of trigger sting so SIG redesigned it to become the so-called "adverse" trigger. If you do a Google search, you can find the differences between the original trigger and the adverse trigger.

People complained about how much the take down lever stuck out, so SIG trimmed down the external part of the lever. Some shooters had a tendency to ride the slide stop lever. The original slide stop lever had a more prominent external portion which projected toward the back of the slide. The new one is trimmed down a bit and projects forward toward the muzzle.

The original grip module had a little molded ridge just below the slide stop lever. The new slide stop lever winds up being well in front of this ridge. The new grip modules have a three sided ridge around the left sided slide stop lever. But the older grip module can be used with the newer slide stop lever. The little ridge is just out of place.

The most common problem I have heard about has been extraction issues, primarily with the 9 mm compacts. I have a 9 mm compact that has had no issues whatsoever. I have read that some who have returned their P320s to SIG for this problem said they came back with an extractor of visibly different design. That would suggest that SIG redesigned the extractor, but if they did I have no idea if all new pistols would be shipping with the new extractor.

Apart from the extractor issue, I have read about a handful of other various issues that appear to have affected only a very few P320 owners. A broken striker channel end plate was mentioned on this forum recently. There have been a couple of fractured trigger bars. And there have been a few P320s that had failure to fire in live fire due to failure of trigger reset.

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Originally posted by Nipper:

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Originally posted by grumpy1:

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Originally posted by arlen:
I will never buy a P320. They are a butt-ugly pistol. They are plastic. The barrel radius is much too high. The grip is shaped such that it looks like you are holding a turd.

The barrel radius is much too high? I have been around firearms for decades and first I ever heard of that.

I believe the literary genius meant to say "bore axis".

I can't understand why some folks like to make grandiloquent statements informing us unwashed lobotomized masses of what they DON'T like.

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Originally posted by 3/4Flap:

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Originally posted by pblanc:

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Originally posted by sigmoid:
I have an early full size and an early compact.
Both have been flawless and the wife and I run them quite a bit.

What exactly have been the upgrades or changes since the early serial number versions?
(6056 and 27101)

We do get a little trigger slap now and again, has the trigger been updated?
Thanks

SIG redesigned the trigger, take down lever, and the slide stop lever, and made minor changes to the grip modules to accommodate the new slide stop lever.

The original trigger seemed to generate complaints of trigger sting so SIG redesigned it to become the so-called "adverse" trigger. If you do a Google search, you can find the differences between the original trigger and the adverse trigger.

People complained about how much the take down lever stuck out, so SIG trimmed down the external part of the lever. Some shooters had a tendency to ride the slide stop lever. The original slide stop lever had a more prominent external portion which projected toward the back of the slide. The new one is trimmed down a bit and projects forward toward the muzzle.

The original grip module had a little molded ridge just below the slide stop lever. The new slide stop lever winds up being well in front of this ridge. The new grip modules have a three sided ridge around the left sided slide stop lever. But the older grip module can be used with the newer slide stop lever. The little ridge is just out of place.

The most common problem I have heard about has been extraction issues, primarily with the 9 mm compacts. I have a 9 mm compact that has had no issues whatsoever. I have read that some who have returned their P320s to SIG for this problem said they came back with an extractor of visibly different design. That would suggest that SIG redesigned the extractor, but if they did I have no idea if all new pistols would be shipping with the new extractor.

Apart from the extractor issue, I have read about a handful of other various issues that appear to have affected only a very few P320 owners. A broken striker channel end plate was mentioned on this forum recently. There have been a couple of fractured trigger bars. And there have been a few P320s that had failure to fire in live fire due to failure of trigger reset.

Great info but...

Can you provide a timeline of any sort?

I am really wondering when the trigger slap issue was resolved, as in what "Date of Birth".

Thanks and very interesting summary.

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Originally posted by 00464b:

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by jaaron11:
I have a hard time recalling a pistol with less consensus around it than the P320. It's either the greatest striker fired pistol in the world, or it's "meh". Guess I'll just have to buy one and cast my own vote.

I have been a fair broker on the gun, even when I was sponsored by SIG. It's true, there have been some issues with the gun that never should have been. For all out dumb reasons. But, the gun will do things in my hands and in the hands of many of my peers that the others don't seem to do as well. The big thing I notice is the fact that it is tolerant to bad inputs. Where many guns aren't as forgiving, the P320 is.

Most of the issues that the guns had when they were cutting teeth are gone now. It's hard to find an out of the box gun that just doesn't run in the current production stock.

As to the negative opinion of some, well ok. That's about all you can say about it. Some will hang onto myths such as high bore axis, and whatnot to rationalize not liking it. Some just like other stuff, and that is the great times that we live in. Lots of other choices out there. It's hard to fault people for personal preference.

I got burned on compact I couldn't keep running. I'm going to buy another soon and give it another run.

I have one of the first P320's (58A0000xx), and being an older shooter, I have found this pistol is by far, one of the most accurate, forgiving I have ever owned, with no issues to date. And I being the absloute easiest to clean is just a bonus. It may be plastic, but it's pros,in my opinion far outweigh any cons you may want to throw at it. And thanks Jones for for stating you view,which is well respected in this forum.