I ordered a P220 Legion .45 through the IOP in March and at last inquiry they are telling me an August delivery date. On the other side I see lots of P320's and P365's out there. Wow is Sig that far backed up? Who is buying all the metal guns?

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
I ordered a P220 Legion .45 through the IOP in March and at last inquiry they are telling me an August delivery date. On the other side I see lots of P320's and P365's out there. Wow is Sig that far backed up? Who is buying all the metal guns?

I looked into the IOP at one time also. They were up front in advising that IOP orders were filled last behind Govt, MIL and LEO dept sales. Back then they wouldnt even give me an ETA. Although not steel.....LOTS of dept's are going with the 320 so I would guess that backs everything up....even the steel frames. Our dept just bought 10k 320's.

You need to understand, they don't have a production line dedicated just to P220's. They run guns in batches, then retool for another model run.

While they can run multiple models down different lines, I don't think the P220 is a huge seller these days so yeah, you're going to have to wait.

In a word, yes.

All of SIG's pistols (or any other manufacturer's lines for that matter) are scheduled batch production runs, but it's especially more noticeable with their classic P-SIGs. Poly guns are faster and easier for SIG to make; those as a consequence can be pumped out in far larger numbers. So in the past year or so that's exactly what SIG has been focused on doing, because their backlog of orders for just about everything had to be ginormous. Concentrating on poly gun productions gets more product to market with less strain on resources per unit. Dealers will at least get something to sell even if it's not everything that they wanted. Milling an alloy frame takes time; waiting for the hot polymer goop in some mega mold for a boatload of grip modules to cool...definitely less so. Pretty plain which type is going to get the lion's share of the production line's time and resources.

To reallocate their efforts even further, they've completely suspended .40 gun production (for the time being presumably) and consequently canceled most of that caliber that were already on order (including everything I had on order for the shop...grr). They've cut down the number of variation offerings even more severely than they had been doing prior to the pandemic. Some guns like the P238 and P938 were down to two or three versions in SIG's Excel ordering spreadsheets, which is a far cry from what they were offering in those models' heydays.

We've been able to get some versions of the P-SIGs in; mostly Legions, base models and the occasional Mk25. We did get a couple of P220 Legions that had recent birthdays (one SAO, the other DA/SA); why your ordered gun was not in that run has more to do with when your order was placed versus when all of that production run was already spoken for and allocated due to the prior backlog of orders. That's the nature of the business, especially these days.

Scratching an itch isn't what it used to be, unless one gets lucky and finds what they want...most of the time by chance. And it's not just a SIG issue.

We finally got a run of G20s in, only due to my order through Glock's stocking dealer program which only happens twice in a calendar year at most (spring and fall). If I had to try to get those five G20s (the max number per model allowed) through the normal distributor channels...damn near impossible. Buying SIGs direct as we do, at least we can get on a backlog list even if we still have to patiently wait. Unless SIG up and decides to cancel, like they unceremoniously did with their .40s (double grr).

I was at the Sig Pro Shop and a customer was looking for a P320 in 40 cal. They didn't have any and the clerk told him they were concentrating sales on 9mm at that time to try and keep up with demand. I imagine they are probably concentrating sales on the items in demand, P365, P320 9mm...

Seems like the entire world has slowed down recently. Heck, I mailed a 2 day Priority Box yesterday at the USPS and they told me it would take a week to get there (FL > OH).

Kentucky Gun has them in stock right now for $1184.99 with free shipping.

I talked to a Sig regional sales rep at a class back in April. He told me they were pretty much just making 9mm P320s and P365s for the moment, due to those being the highest demand items. It sucks, but it is what it is. I've been waiting on 8 M400 LE models for work since January.

That's the word from the Sig rep that was at my local, production is focused on P320's and P365's. Also according to him they don't plan on running ANY 1911's this year.

Today I just picked up an MCX that I ordered at the Pro Shop on March 30.

So it was just shy of 3 months wait time, based on when they called me last week to tell me it was shipping.

Based on the chatter when I ordered, everything is 320, 365 and rifles.

SIG CS told me a few weeks ago that at this time, they have no plans to run a P229 batch in 40 S&W.

Right now, polymer "Wonder 9s" are the rage so you make what the majority of your customers want. I'm also betting that there is a substantially higher profit margin in a polymer framed gun vs a metal framed one which has to impact production times.

Yes.

The only mainline pistol manufacturer that is anything resembling "caught up" right now is Smith and Wesson. They're the only one with inventory sitting in distrubtors' warehouses. Everything else is gone the second it ships.

I wish things were better. But then if you wish in one hand and.......

I ordered a 232 in 2015 and I am still waiting so you guys have nothing to complain about.

The good news is that if it takes a couple years to get the new SIG you just ordered it might finally have most of the bugs worked out of it by the time you get it!

On 6/3 I got a 320 compact made on 5/25/21. Hardly had time to cool off.

I have been told by my local Sig Master dealer springs are outsourced and have been part of the problem. True or not I don’t know.

Indo-MIM makes a lot of small parts (pins,springs,etc.) for several firearms manufacturers so any interruption or strain on their Supply Chain would surely have a significant ripple effect on production capacity.