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AIWB injury with INCOG and Glock
June 03, 2018, 07:58 AM
RHINOWSOAIWB injury with INCOG and Glock
Short story, loaded pistol holstered while the guy is standing (no bang), he walks around a bit (no bang), then he bends over almost 90deg forward at the waist.
BANG.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.c...gligent-or-accident/June 03, 2018, 08:12 AM
mark60I've got an Incog for my Shield and can't see how that could happen if holstered properly.
June 03, 2018, 08:17 AM
sigarmsp226Rhino - Thanks for posting this video....This guy was lucky...The one thing I noticed was the ladies quick reaction to grab a battle pack to help this guy.....Makes me wonder if something was in the holster or if something in a pocket (pocket knife) might have caused it...
Pretty amazing video...Mark
June 03, 2018, 08:40 AM
12131Anyone in NV can confirm this story? Hospital/ER visit?
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June 03, 2018, 09:05 AM
egregoreVery odd. I have a hard time seeing how that, or any, holster would pull the gun's trigger once the gun is put in it. Snagging it on an edge or foreign object while holstering, yes.
June 03, 2018, 09:13 AM
obiwankenobiCannot imagine how it discharged from bending over unless there was something caught in the trigger guard (clothing?) and when he bent over it pulled. He was lucky to be in a location where they had the right kit to address the wound quickly.
June 03, 2018, 09:30 AM
10roundWasn't there just a case involving an ND when a trigger pin for the trigger safety worked it's way out and caught on the holster.
DPR
June 03, 2018, 09:31 AM
BuddyChrystI wonder if he was using a holster not designed for his specific model. Because it doesn't look like he's wearing anything but a T-shirt and it doesn't look like it gets caught.
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June 03, 2018, 09:33 AM
Black92LXLooks like he has an undershirt on. I can only guess it got in there as he was reholstering pulled the trigger slack, then when he bent over it pulled the rest of the way to discharge it.
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June 03, 2018, 09:36 AM
RHINOWSOI have no info besides the thread posted. From looking at the video it seems to be authentic, however what exactly happened is beyond me.
One thought I do have is in today's day of kydex holsters with tons of screws / washers / etc, I wonder if something had worked its way out and caused the weapon to fire.
I have several holsters with said screws / washers but after getting the holster set in the desired position, will loctite them in place.
Just a potential area to think about, but still your guess is as good as mine about what could have caused this incident - regardless of holster or firearm brand.
June 03, 2018, 09:37 AM
PGTKind of looks staged to me
June 03, 2018, 09:47 AM
12131quote:
Originally posted by PGT:
Kind of looks staged to me
Hence, my question.
If I'm the INCOG maker, and I'm seeing this thing making its round on the internet, I'm starting to dig immediately for facts.
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June 03, 2018, 09:59 AM
cas1. What's with the funky Dutch angle with the camera?
2. I wonder if this is a gun issue, more than a holster issue. Insufficient striker engagement, bending over torques the gun in an usual way, the striker slips off and "boom". Yes, it still shouldn't go off, but the world's an imperfect place.
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June 03, 2018, 10:04 AM
YVKquote:
Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
I have no info besides the thread posted. From looking at the video it seems to be authentic, however what exactly happened is beyond me.
It is all in the video. Look very carefully at the length of the free end of his cover garment before he holsters, after he holsters, and then when after he has his
negligent discharge. Before he places the gun the holster, his T shirt extends quite below his waist line, partially obscured by the laptop screen. Note that his T shirt is tucked into his pants other than just the very front. After he holsters, you can see that the front part of T shirt falls on top of the gun, and he re-adjusts it over.
When gun fires and the dude shows one more time that he has no capacity to mentally process things related to carrying guns by throwing his gun down in a room with other people present (he should take lessons from Tex Grebner who had enough cool to put his gun down), a long free end of his T shirt comes out of his pants.
His T-shirt folded into the holster, partly because it was tucked into his pants and couldn't fall free, he never truly cleared holster's mouth, and gun went off when he bent over, creating tension on the trigger.
The dude confirms my long standing fears of us seeing more AIWB discharges because everyone thinks they know what they are doing with AIWB, as opposed to actually learning from people with experience.
June 03, 2018, 10:08 AM
WARPIG602quote:
Originally posted by YVK:
quote:
Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
I have no info besides the thread posted. From looking at the video it seems to be authentic, however what exactly happened is beyond me.
It is all in the video. Look very carefully at the length of the free end of his cover garment before he holsters, after he holsters, and then when after he has his
negligent discharge. Before he places the gun the holster, his T shirt extends quite below his waist line, partially obscured by the laptop screen. Note that his T shirt is tucked into his pants other than just the very front. After he holsters, you can see that the front part of T shirt falls on top of the gun, and he re-adjusts it over.
When gun fires and the dude shows one more time that he has no capacity to mentally process things related to carrying guns by throwing his gun down in a room with other people present (he should take lessons from Tex Grebner who had enough cool to put his gun down), a long free end of his T shirt comes out of his pants.
His T-shirt folded into the holster, partly because it was tucked into his pants and couldn't fall free, he never truly cleared holster's mouth, and gun went off when he bent over, creating tension on the trigger.
The dude confirms my long standing fears of us seeing more AIWB discharges because everyone thinks they know what they are doing with AIWB, as opposed to actually learning from people with experience.
So its not really a problem with appnedix carry....its a problem with IWB
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June 03, 2018, 10:15 AM
RHINOWSOquote:
Originally posted by cas:
Insufficient striker engagement, bending over torques the gun in an usual way, the striker slips off and "boom". Yes, it still shouldn't go off, but the world's an imperfect place.
The Glock Striker isn't cocked until the trigger begins to be pulled.
June 03, 2018, 10:17 AM
10roundquote:
Originally posted by YVK:
quote:
Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
I have no info besides the thread posted. From looking at the video it seems to be authentic, however what exactly happened is beyond me.
It is all in the video. Look very carefully at the length of the free end of his cover garment before he holsters, after he holsters, and then when after he has his
negligent discharge. Before he places the gun the holster, his T shirt extends quite below his waist line, partially obscured by the laptop screen. Note that his T shirt is tucked into his pants other than just the very front. After he holsters, you can see that the front part of T shirt falls on top of the gun, and he re-adjusts it over.
When gun fires and the dude shows one more time that he has no capacity to mentally process things related to carrying guns by throwing his gun down in a room with other people present (he should take lessons from Tex Grebner who had enough cool to put his gun down), a long free end of his T shirt comes out of his pants.
His T-shirt folded into the holster, partly because it was tucked into his pants and couldn't fall free, he never truly cleared holster's mouth, and gun went off when he bent over, creating tension on the trigger.
The dude confirms my long standing fears of us seeing more AIWB discharges because everyone thinks they know what they are doing with AIWB, as opposed to actually learning from people with experience.
Good eyes, I never saw it. This could be the explanation.
DPR
June 03, 2018, 10:18 AM
ZSMICHAELquote:
I never holster an SFA pistol to the holster with the holster installed IWB on my person, never.. just too many things can go wrong...
I remember my instructor telling me more than once, that there is NO HURRY to reholster your pistol. I see a lot of people rush it particularly in matches.
June 03, 2018, 10:31 AM
jljonesSomething stinks. I also wonder about if an aftermarket trigger played a part....
June 03, 2018, 11:59 AM
casquote:
Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
quote:
Originally posted by cas:
Insufficient striker engagement, bending over torques the gun in an usual way, the striker slips off and "boom". Yes, it still shouldn't go off, but the world's an imperfect place.
The Glock Striker isn't cocked until the trigger begins to be pulled.
It's half way I believe.
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