September 19, 2019, 08:42 PM
DCA_PSCIUnusual P228
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Originally posted by parabellum:
Well, whether or not you should have known better, that dealer damn sure knew better.
I had heard mixed reviews about this particular shop, but it's the only gun store close to where I live in the blue part of my state.
Thought I'd give them a try. They're definitely on the bad list regardless of how they handle the return. The only explanations here are gross incompetence or malfeasance.
September 19, 2019, 08:59 PM
parabellumIt's the latter. No firearms dealer who has been in the business for any length of time is gonna miss this. The serial number alone is a dead giveaway. When they entered that pistol into their bound book, they recorded the serial number. That serial number on a P228 is a dead giveaway.
September 20, 2019, 08:53 AM
KskeltonThe only thing I would question the dealer on is not realizing he serial was questionable. If it had what appeared to be a normal Sig serial I’m not sure if i’d Expect the shop to notice the lack of serrations on the front of the trigger guard or the other little differences. We definitely have some Sig experts here in the forum, but I would take a guess that 90% of gun shops would not notice a difference in serrations on a P228. The serial is a super questionable thing and should be noticed by almost any dealer regardless of their Sig knowledge.
Unless the shop is purposely being shady I would hope the return goes well. Good luck
September 20, 2019, 10:32 AM
policetruckAs a dealer/manufacturer I’ll also add, the fact that it doesn’t have a manufacturer’s name, city, and state is also a dead giveaway if it was supposed to be from a licensed manufacturer.
That would be a violation in accordance with ATF marking regulations.
September 20, 2019, 04:22 PM
DCA_PSCIGot an email from Sig confirming that the frame is not Sig manufactured.
Final piece of evidence I was looking for. Planning to attempt the return tomorrow. I'll let y'all know how things turn out.
September 20, 2019, 04:40 PM
12131quote:
Originally posted by policetruck:
As a dealer/manufacturer I’ll also add, the fact that it doesn’t have a manufacturer’s name, city, and state is also a dead giveaway if it was supposed to be from a licensed manufacturer.
That would be a violation in accordance with ATF marking regulations.
OP's gun has all that info on the slide.
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September 20, 2019, 04:41 PM
12131quote:
Originally posted by DCA_PSCI:
Got an email from Sig confirming that the frame is not Sig manufactured.
Final piece of evidence I was looking for. Planning to attempt the return tomorrow. I'll let y'all know how things turn out.
That's good you have the factory to back you up. They cannot deny it, now.
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September 20, 2019, 06:40 PM
DCA_PSCIquote:
Originally posted by policetruck:
As a dealer/manufacturer I’ll also add, the fact that it doesn’t have a manufacturer’s name, city, and state is also a dead giveaway if it was supposed to be from a licensed manufacturer.
That would be a violation in accordance with ATF marking regulations.
Can you post the specific reg? I'd like to have it handy if needed.
September 20, 2019, 06:43 PM
DCA_PSCIquote:
Originally posted by 12131:
quote:
Originally posted by policetruck:
As a dealer/manufacturer I’ll also add, the fact that it doesn’t have a manufacturer’s name, city, and state is also a dead giveaway if it was supposed to be from a licensed manufacturer.
That would be a violation in accordance with ATF marking regulations.
OP's gun has all that info on the slide.
The slide isn't considered the firearm though. The frame is the serialized part and is unmarked except for the "serial number."
September 20, 2019, 06:47 PM
12131quote:
Originally posted by DCA_PSCI:
quote:
Originally posted by 12131:
quote:
Originally posted by policetruck:
As a dealer/manufacturer I’ll also add, the fact that it doesn’t have a manufacturer’s name, city, and state is also a dead giveaway if it was supposed to be from a licensed manufacturer.
That would be a violation in accordance with ATF marking regulations.
OP's gun has all that info on the slide.
The slide isn't considered the firearm though. The frame is the serialized part and is unmarked except for the "serial number."
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/f...erification-overviewSerial number has to be on the receiver/fame. Model designation, country of origin, and manufacturer's name can be on frame, slide, or even barrel.
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September 21, 2019, 11:44 AM
DCA_PSCIJust left the shop. They accepted the return and issued the refund without pushback.
The manager seemed to suggest that the person who did the original intake screwed up, but I don't know if I believe that. He recognized immediately that it wasn't a Sig serial number and admitted it.
Whatever happened, I'm done shopping there for good.
September 21, 2019, 12:45 PM
markstempskiquote:
Originally posted by DCA_PSCI:
Just left the shop. They accepted the return and issued the refund without pushback.
The manager seemed to suggest that the person who did the original intake screwed up, but I don't know if I believe that. He recognized immediately that it wasn't a Sig serial number and admitted it.
Whatever happened, I'm done shopping there for good.
I am glad that was resolved easily. Someone not training their droids in handling the F troop forms is them just asking for trouble.
September 21, 2019, 01:42 PM
jimmy123xquote:
Originally posted by DCA_PSCI:
Just left the shop. They accepted the return and issued the refund without pushback.
The manager seemed to suggest that the person who did the original intake screwed up, but I don't know if I believe that. He recognized immediately that it wasn't a Sig serial number and admitted it.
Whatever happened, I'm done shopping there for good.
I don't know if I'd write them off completely. IMO the shop handled it well and refunded your money without question. A gun shop is only as good as it's employees and good employees are hard to come by these days. If they're not a long term SIG dealer they might not have noticed there was a difference. I have a shop local to me that knows 1911's inside and out, they're a dealer for Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, Baer, and many others. They can tell you the in's and out's of anything 1911 from any manufacturer. They also have a variety of other new fire arms for sale. But hand them a SIG and they probably know less than most as they simply don't specialize in them.
September 21, 2019, 01:55 PM
DCA_PSCIquote:
Originally posted by jimmy123x:
quote:
Originally posted by DCA_PSCI:
Just left the shop. They accepted the return and issued the refund without pushback.
The manager seemed to suggest that the person who did the original intake screwed up, but I don't know if I believe that. He recognized immediately that it wasn't a Sig serial number and admitted it.
Whatever happened, I'm done shopping there for good.
I don't know if I'd write them off completely. IMO the shop handled it well and refunded your money without question. A gun shop is only as good as it's employees and good employees are hard to come by these days. If they're not a long term SIG dealer they might not have noticed there was a difference. I have a shop local to me that knows 1911's inside and out, they're a dealer for Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, Baer, and many others. They can tell you the in's and out's of anything 1911 from any manufacturer. They also have a variety of other new fire arms for sale. But hand them a SIG and they probably know less than most as they simply don't specialize in them.
It's possible, although based on the type of store they are ("tactical"), all of their employees should have known. Still it could have been the new guy doing his first solo intake.
September 21, 2019, 02:09 PM
powermadSince that's a parts gun I would have seen about buying the slide and frame parts.
The frame they can keep.
September 21, 2019, 02:11 PM
parabellumquote:
Originally posted by powermad:
Since that's a parts gun I would have seen about buying the slide and frame parts.
The frame they can keep.
"Here, take back this sham you sold me, but let me keep the good parts."
Come on
September 22, 2019, 06:36 AM
Lord VaalicIf you want to know how shady they are, go back in a few days. If the same gun is out labeled as a P228 again, they are shady.
Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day September 22, 2019, 11:48 AM
Excam_Man^^^ this will tell all.
September 23, 2019, 10:19 AM
DCA_PSCIquote:
Originally posted by Excam_Man:
^^^ this will tell all.
What's funny is that if they marked it down to $300 and relabeled it as a "reproduction Sig P228" I might re-buy it just to get the parts.
And if it shoots, it could become a carry gun (unlike a West German P228 that has historical value).
