Guess another 1911 brand is not a bad thing:

https://savagearms.com/1911

I associate Savage with a value brand now.
I've used their hunting rifles before and found them on quality with Remington.

I agree savage is kinda associated with a value brand and I don’t think a $1400 stainless 1911 is a value brand price. Maybe they’ll be nice, but going to be hard for them to compete at the same price as colt, Kimber, sigs, etc.

From the same people who peddles those painfully schlocky Stevens shotguns that no one wants to buy. Heavens to Murgatroyd, will wonders never cease?

Isn't Vista Outdoors still trying to divest themselves of Savage? I guess this is one strategy of trying to make Savage look more appetizing for a future buyer; try to prove that they can actually build a quality pistol, though it feels a little ironic that they chose the 1911 platform to make their stand with even if it has been 111 years. Their Stance micro 9mm has virtually disappeared within the existing kettle of micro compact pistols. That's one BIG kettle and I can't remember a single customer ever inquiring about the thing. Savage is known for rifles, and few if any will acknowledge them as anything but rifle builders. And even with rifles, more than a handful of customers have had some choice commentary about the nature of their guns and more pointedly, the poor customer service experience when trying to make things right.

I only own one Savage product, a .33LR MK 2 FV-SR rifle that has been fairly reliable and actually enjoyable to shoot though admittedly it hasn't been out of its safe in some time since I've got other bolt .22s that I prefer shooting more. But at the shop, my dealings with Savage in the past have been less than stellar. When they were sstill a direct-to-dealer operation, their sales staff were atrocious to deal and converse with. Felt like I had to take a shower after every phone call with them, just to wash all of the bullshit off. Somewhat thankfully they decided to follow Ruger's and Glock's distribution model and go direct-to-distributors. Makes the task of finding guns to order more annoying and a chore, but at least I don't have to cope with rude uncaring Savage sales staff.

Odd slide cuts for a 1911. Kinda looks like the Remington r51.

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Originally posted by Kskelton:
I agree savage is kinda associated with a value brand and I don’t think a $1400 stainless 1911 is a value brand price. Maybe they’ll be nice, but going to be hard for them to compete at the same price as colt, Kimber, sigs, etc.

MSRP $1400, are you serious?

When I hear "Savage 1911", I'm thinking of something priced to compete against Rock Island or Girsan, not Dan Wesson.

They are smoking some crack if they think they are going to sell well.

The problem for them is that they would have a hard time competing against Rock Island, SDS/Tisas, etc as those companies make a quality budget 1911.

I would rather have seen them shoot for a gun between $500-800 than this $1400 gun.

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Originally posted by amc:
Odd slide cuts for a 1911. Kinda looks like the Remington r51.

I thought "Semi SIG". I understand the idea, make it their own, give it it's own look, as was seen with SIG, I think it's a mistake.

Other than the silly slide cut, it looks like everyone else's 1911 these days. Most of them seem to be "parts guns" by and large assembled from other peoples products.

But considering what has become of the Savage brand in the last 40 years and especially the last 20 years, to sell at all the street price will have to be A LOT LOWER in, or these will need to be some amazing guns. It won't matter if your guns are made from the exact same parts as respected brands, if you've been selling rebranded junk for the last twenty years no one's going to pay that much.

For that price, I would be looking at a Dan Wesson or similar, not a Savage.

First in line for me would be a CZ 1911 seppin they only made maybe 1,100 of them. That is what a 1911 starts life as and is a quality piece. Didn't Savage make some 1911 parts for WW2 1911s? Maybe slides? I just cant let CZ off the hook, them cheap bastards.. . Only making 1,100.

I have a first year release (1998) 10FP that has been highly modified. Super accurate.


But a 1911? No clue what they're drinking but I sure as hell don't want any.

When I saw the announcement from Savage, I thought $750 or so. Nope.
1400. Pass. Makes my Nightmare Carry at 1K a bargain.

Savage has come a long way and has made a lot of the smaller parts for companies for years , I don`t think they will sell good at 1400 bucks , they should have made a real deal GI copy 1911A1 , they would sell all of them .

This is the marketing equivalent of smoking a crack pipe. Way better options at that price point. Glad they aren’t wasting my money.

The spec's show it has a forged frame and slide. The fire control group is all tool steel, no MIM. The sights are genuine Novaks, fully adjustable low profile night sights. So the bones of a good 1911 are there. If all these parts are assembled with care, the pistol may well be worth a street price of $1200 +/-.

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Originally posted by Chuck Perry:
The spec's show it has a forged frame and slide. The fire control group is all tool steel, no MIM. The sights are genuine Novaks, fully adjustable low profile night sights. So the bones of a good 1911 are there. If all these parts are assembled with care, the pistol may well be worth a street price of $1200 +/-.

I agree. People are making a judgment based on their perception of the company without knowing a single thing about the gun. Guns in general have gone up considerably to add to it. I think $1200 is probably about right with the components you mentioned.

I stand by my earlier comment despite the component quality alluded to.

If I want cheap but solid it's ARMSCOR, Girsan, or Tisas.
I skip from them to best bang for the buck Dan Wesson in the 4 figure range. No room for Savage.

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What company do you deal with that you don’t make a judgement call on their quality/reliability/value when they introduce a brand new product? It’s kind of a smart way to do business. Otherwise you become the beta tester of the R51.

At that price point there are known quantity better choices. Why risk it?

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
What company do you deal with that you don’t make a judgement call on their quality/reliability/value when they introduce a brand new product? It’s kind of a smart way to do business. Otherwise you become the beta tester of the R51.

At that price point there are known quantity better choices. Why risk it?

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
People are making a judgment based on their perception of the company without knowing a single thing about the gun.

I can't imagine what the marketing dept at Savage was thinking when the decision was made to release this. The gun industry is not immune to marketing & brand cachet. In fact, 1911 guys especially are known to be gun snobs.

The reason we have Lexus, Acura, Genesis, & Infiniti is b/c consumers want a disconnect between the luxury/performance nameplate vs run-of-the-mill Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, & Nissan. There are brands such as Chevrolet, Nike, & Trek that produce a very wide range from economy to luxury, but those brands took a long time to build & establish that range.

Look how long it took Rock Island Armory to build their reputation to the point where guys will spend $1K for one of their guns. Girsan understands this, which is why they're launching a 2011 clone for $999, not $1999.

If Anderson released a high end AR, and the quality was all there, don't you think the ARF crowd would still be reluctant to drop $2K on an AR-15 w/ a Poverty Pony on it? That's the challenge Savage faces.

I think realistically, the best case scenario for them is that their 1911 gets a lot of positive press & reviews along the lines of, "This is a great 1911 - IF - you can find it for street price under $1K."