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Do other people experience light primer strikes with target ammo? My 226 had 3 of them. Around 6200 (2 with Fiocche 115 grain FMJ) and 7000 rounds (S&B 115 grain FMJ). Round fired after 2nd strike with no problems. At 5800 rounds 226, MK25 went back to SIG for new slide and spring change (gun was dropped when slide was open and it bent corner of slide beyond repair.) I did notice that just before the light primer strikes, I started seeing large flashes when firing. It caught my attention.

Unfortunately, I did not find these rounds since there was brass everywhere. Other brass I shot looks like firing pin working properly.

Any opinions.


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No. Both mentioned ammo manufacturers at times have really hard primers. At the round count you are suggesting, unless you are using a reduced power mainspring, you shouldn't be having spring issues. The way that the hammer cams is one the things that makes the P226 uber reliable with factory springs.




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At that number of rounds you should be getting a P226 parts kit and be replacing your springs.
 
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At that number of rounds you should be getting a P226 parts kit and be replacing your springs.


Since my 226 was at SIG I had them replace the springs.


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No. Both mentioned ammo manufacturers at times have really hard primers. At the round count you are suggesting, unless you are using a reduced power mainspring, you shouldn't be having spring issues. The way that the hammer cams is one the things that makes the P226 uber reliable with factory springs.


So if it keeps happening, then it is my 226?


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No. Both mentioned ammo manufacturers at times have really hard primers. At the round count you are suggesting, unless you are using a reduced power mainspring, you shouldn't be having spring issues. The way that the hammer cams is one the things that makes the P226 uber reliable with factory springs.


So if it keeps happening, then it is my 226?


Try it with American Made ammunition. S+B and Fiocci sometimes have very hard primers,which are much harder for most guns to ignite (or too hard) I think what he is trying to convey is it is more of a primer issue than a gun issue. The primers being way too hard.

But, also make sure the gun is fully going into battery. Was it recently cleaned and has enough lube on the slide rails? How deep are the primer marks on fired cases? It could also be a worn firing pin, dirty firing pin channel or spring.
 
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No. Both mentioned ammo manufacturers at times have really hard primers. At the round count you are suggesting, unless you are using a reduced power mainspring, you shouldn't be having spring issues. The way that the hammer cams is one the things that makes the P226 uber reliable with factory springs.


So if it keeps happening, then it is my 226?


Try it with American Made ammunition. S+B and Fiocci sometimes have very hard primers,which are much harder for most guns to ignite (or too hard) I think what he is trying to convey is it is more of a primer issue than a gun issue. The primers being way too hard.

But, also make sure the gun is fully going into battery. Was it recently cleaned and has enough lube on the slide rails? How deep are the primer marks on fired cases? It could also be a worn firing pin, dirty firing pin channel or spring.


Thanks Jimmy 123x. You gave a clear explanation. Primer marks are deep on spent casing. I will keep on eye on pistol going into battery.

Do those very bright flashes that I noticed before the light strike have any relation or I am just seeing some rounds with more propellant?


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Do other people experience light primer strikes with target ammo? My 226 had 3 of them.


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Primer marks are deep on spent casing.


This is confusing because these two statements contradict each other. Which condition are you experiencing?
 
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Do other people experience light primer strikes with target ammo? My 226 had 3 of them.


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Primer marks are deep on spent casing.


This is confusing because these two statements contradict each other. Which condition are you experiencing?


Try to clarify. Hammer falls and just click. Wait 30 seconds, then 2nd strike discharges round. Those rounds, happened 3 time, was not found but when checking other spent casings, strike marks look deep, proper.


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Do other people experience light primer strikes with target ammo? My 226 had 3 of them.


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Primer marks are deep on spent casing.


This is confusing because these two statements contradict each other. Which condition are you experiencing?


Try to clarify. Hammer falls and just click. Wait 30 seconds, then 2nd strike discharges round. Those rounds, happened 3 time, was not found but when checking other spent casings, strike marks look deep, proper.


I'm in agreement with jones in that I'd be less inclined to look at springs as the first cause and more inclined to look at ammo. Any time these types of issues occur a shooter should consider trying multiple mfr/types of ammo to either isolate the cause or continue T/S the issue.

As the P226 was designed in Europe I would be inclined to believe that it would fire European ammo with little issue...but having said that it is certainly possible the Fiocchi and S&B could have changed their loads.

I've fired @ case or so of Fiocchi and several hundred rounds of S&B (mfr. several years ago) through several P226s with no issues.

Another factor to consider is whether the firing pin velocity is being impeded. Grit in the firing pin channel, or depending on how you clean and lube the gun, perhaps if lube or solvent made its way into the channel this could possibly explain the issue, although I would expect it to occur more consistently if this were the case.
 
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Originally posted by SSAreGreat:
Do other people experience light primer strikes with target ammo? My 226 had 3 of them.


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Originally posted by SSAreGreat:
Primer marks are deep on spent casing.


This is confusing because these two statements contradict each other. Which condition are you experiencing?


Try to clarify. Hammer falls and just click. Wait 30 seconds, then 2nd strike discharges round. Those rounds, happened 3 time, was not found but when checking other spent casings, strike marks look deep, proper.


I'm in agreement with jones in that I'd be less inclined to look at springs as the first cause and more inclined to look at ammo. Any time these types of issues occur a shooter should consider trying multiple mfr/types of ammo to either isolate the cause or continue T/S the issue.

As the P226 was designed in Europe I would be inclined to believe that it would fire European ammo with little issue...but having said that it is certainly possible the Fiocchi and S&B could have changed their loads.

I've fired @ case or so of Fiocchi and several hundred rounds of S&B (mfr. several years ago) through several P226s with no issues.

Another factor to consider is whether the firing pin velocity is being impeded. Grit in the firing pin channel, or depending on how you clean and lube the gun, perhaps if lube or solvent made its way into the channel this could possibly explain the issue, although I would expect it to occur more consistently if this were the case.


Thanks for the response Modern Day Savage. This issue has only happened between in the last 900 3 times. Received gun back from SIG for some work after 5800 rounds, and then it started around 6200 - 7100 round count. Will continue to monitor.


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Originally posted by SSAreGreat:
Do other people experience light primer strikes with target ammo? My 226 had 3 of them.


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Originally posted by SSAreGreat:
Primer marks are deep on spent casing.


This is confusing because these two statements contradict each other. Which condition are you experiencing?


Try to clarify. Hammer falls and just click. Wait 30 seconds, then 2nd strike discharges round. Those rounds, happened 3 time, was not found but when checking other spent casings, strike marks look deep, proper.


I'm in agreement with jones in that I'd be less inclined to look at springs as the first cause and more inclined to look at ammo. Any time these types of issues occur a shooter should consider trying multiple mfr/types of ammo to either isolate the cause or continue T/S the issue.

As the P226 was designed in Europe I would be inclined to believe that it would fire European ammo with little issue...but having said that it is certainly possible the Fiocchi and S&B could have changed their loads.

I've fired @ case or so of Fiocchi and several hundred rounds of S&B (mfr. several years ago) through several P226s with no issues.

Another factor to consider is whether the firing pin velocity is being impeded. Grit in the firing pin channel, or depending on how you clean and lube the gun, perhaps if lube or solvent made its way into the channel this could possibly explain the issue, although I would expect it to occur more consistently if this were the case.


Thanks for the response Modern Day Savage. This issue has only happened between in the last 900 3 times. Received gun back from SIG for some work after 5800 rounds, and then it started around 6200 - 7100 round count. Will continue to monitor.


Try pulling the firing pin out and thoroughly cleaning the firing pin and the firing pin channel and look at the firing pin for any type of wear...….or, they're cheap and easy enough just order a new one and spring and change it. But if your firing pin marks on the primers are deep, I really think it's just hard/bad primers on the Euro ammo you're shooting.
 
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It's not extremely clear in the opening post if this is a MK25, or if you sent both your 226 and a MK25 in to Sig. Is this a stainless slide model or a folded slide? I had roll pins in a folded slide model break, allowing the breech block to become loose and causing light strikes. But it was multiples per mag, not 3 in 900 rounds. I honestly wouldn't worry about it being your gun unless the failure rate increases.

I once bought a case of Fiocchi reman'd ammo in .40 that gave me a light strike at least once per box. Try another brand and see if it continues, but I wouldn't recommend Prvi Partizan. That stuff has hard primers, too.


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It's not extremely clear in the opening post if this is a MK25, or if you sent both your 226 and a MK25 in to Sig. Is this a stainless slide model or a folded slide? I had roll pins in a folded slide model break, allowing the breech block to become loose and causing light strikes. But it was multiples per mag, not 3 in 900 rounds. I honestly wouldn't worry about it being your gun unless the failure rate increases.

I once bought a case of Fiocchi reman'd ammo in .40 that gave me a light strike at least once per box. Try another brand and see if it continues, but I wouldn't recommend Prvi Partizan. That stuff has hard primers, too.


I only have the MK25 JAFO. Unfortunately, I do not own both. I use to saying 226-MK25 since to some non SIG owners when I say the MK25 they insist on correcting me and state "but you just own a 226." Some people. Thanks for the post.


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Maybe the new slide is out of spec?


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