I recently purchased a Canik Rival S after looking for one for a while, I was very exited due to the raving reviews about it. overall is a great pistol for the money, it hits well above its price range. the only complaint I have is that is not as flat shooting as I hoped for. the muzzle climb is there and it takes more work bring it back to the target and tracking the red dot, great handgun just not for me.

Yup. Classic lesson. Just because some really like a gun and broadcast that to the universe, it doesn't mean that it's going to translate in the same way for others.

I really like my Caniks, but in general they do impart a bit more muzzle flip than some of my other poly strikers do, particularly if I try to use the same kind of hold with the Caniks as I would would with those other pistols. I feel the same about the PPQ and PDP from Walther, and to some degree the VP9 as well. I just bear down with these with a wee bit more effort than I perhaps would with my Glocks or M&Ps and ultimately find that it's not all that bad, different and/or annoying in the end, at least for me. YMMDV of course.

Is it ported? I've seen Rival owners very happy after getting their pistols recoil ported. (I had very satisfying results after porting my Sig P229).

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Originally posted by monoblok:
Yup. Classic lesson. Just because some really like a gun and broadcast that to the universe, it doesn't mean that it's going to translate in the same way for others.

I really like my Caniks, but in general they do impart a bit more muzzle flip than some of my other poly strikers do, particularly if I try to use the same kind of hold with the Caniks as I would would with those other pistols. I feel the same about the PPQ and PDP from Walther, and to some degree the VP9 as well. I just bear down with these with a wee bit more effort than I perhaps would with my Glocks or M&Ps and ultimately find that it's not all that bad, different and/or annoying in the end, at least for me. YMMDV of course.

For whatever reason, the Walthers P99, PPQ, and PDP all seem to have more muzzle flip than they should. I’ve never understood why. It isn’t anything earth-shattering (I like them more than many softer-shooting pistols I’ve tried), but the clones (Canik, Magnum Research, etc.) all seemingly inherited this. Strange.

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Originally posted by monoblok:
Yup. Classic lesson. Just because some really like a gun and broadcast that to the universe, it doesn't mean that it's going to translate in the same way for others.

I really like my Caniks, but in general they do impart a bit more muzzle flip than some of my other poly strikers do, particularly if I try to use the same kind of hold with the Caniks as I would would with those other pistols. I feel the same about the PPQ and PDP from Walther, and to some degree the VP9 as well. I just bear down with these with a wee bit more effort than I perhaps would with my Glocks or M&Ps and ultimately find that it's not all that bad, different and/or annoying in the end, at least for me. YMMDV of course.

I have no experience with the Canik but I’ve never felt it with my VP9. That is one of the smoothest guns I’ve ever shot. I do agree that we all like different Guns and it can be the size and shape of our hands and our grip that influence our likes. I also find that some people buy something and want to validate their purchase or decision.

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Originally posted by venenoindy:
I recently purchased a Canik Rival S......the muzzle climb is there and it takes more work bring it back to the target...

I'm learning a similar lesson.

We can mitigate muzzle climb with a higher grip on the shooting hand. The support hand can help a great deal. Look at videos of IPSC and USPSA shooters. They have excellent control with Caniks, Glocks etc.

Another option is to add a thumb rest. It is a lever for the thumb of the support hand. That allows the shooter to keep the muzzle lower so that the sights return to target quicker.

I just ordered a Nitro Fin for my CZ Shadow 2. (See that thread because I was planning to buy a Canik Rival S).

This is a great option for the Canik Rival S.
https://www.aligntactical.com/...st-locking-block-pin

More than muzzle climb my issue is that I surgery on my wrist and certain things are just painful, flater shooting pistols a can shoot for more rounds. I might not important for some people but with physical limitations some things can make a huge difference.

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Originally posted by MacGyver:
For whatever reason, the Walthers P99, PPQ, and PDP all seem to have more muzzle flip than they should. I’ve never understood why. It isn’t anything earth-shattering (I like them more than many softer-shooting pistols I’ve tried), but the clones (Canik, Magnum Research, etc.) all seemingly inherited this. Strange.

I've seen this on Youtube videos and the comments always suggest that the gun is oversprung and needs a lighter recoil spring. The comments suggest you'll still get the same reliability going to a 15# spring from the stock 18#, but if you go to 12# or lower you'll have to play with striker springs.

I just picked up a Canik Rival and hope to shoot it tomorrow. I'm a bit decrepit for competition these days, but like to practice once in a while and thought the Rival might work well for me.

I rarely shoot 115 grain fmj bullets, mostly shooting what I have for my carry guns, 124s and 147s in some form of jhp. But I have a few boxes of the 115 fmjs so I think I'll shoot those and see if the flip is noticeable to me and report back.

Seems like a very nice gun, way too big for carry, but for a range gun, I think I'll enjoy it. Been dry-firing it this afternoon so we'll see how it works for live fire if tomorrow can be a range day (so far no Honey-dos).

ADDED: Woohoo, headed out to the range now to try this one out, be there by noon, I hope.

Bob

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Okay, went to the range, had a bit of trouble with the Glock and I posted it above.

The Rival? It was a real pleasure to shoot, accurate and as to those that think the muzzle flip is more than some other guns, it seemed to me the looooong barrel (one source says 5.75 inches-I never measured it) made the rise of the muzzle in recoil SEEM more than my other guns. But, who knows for sure without some serious checking (which I am way too lazy to undertake).

In any event I really like it for a range gun and it would work well for a house gun, too. 18 round mags are truly a bunch of bangs.

I even liked the red dot on it, but that's 'cause I ain't carrying it as an EDC.

Bob

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Originally posted by DanH:

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Originally posted by MacGyver:
For whatever reason, the Walthers P99, PPQ, and PDP all seem to have more muzzle flip than they should. I’ve never understood why. It isn’t anything earth-shattering (I like them more than many softer-shooting pistols I’ve tried), but the clones (Canik, Magnum Research, etc.) all seemingly inherited this. Strange.

I've seen this on Youtube videos and the comments always suggest that the gun is oversprung and needs a lighter recoil spring. The comments suggest you'll still get the same reliability going to a 15# spring from the stock 18#, but if you go to 12# or lower you'll have to play with striker springs.

I thought guns feel more flippy when guns are undersprung. Is that not the case? Isn't the function of the recoil spring to damp the energy of the slide retracting?

If it's oversprung, then I thought it makes the slide feel as if it's diving when it goes back into battery.

Own a bunch of different striker fired pistols. Something about the Glock is just different with perceived recoil. Gaston might have been onto something with the grip angle he chose.