Today I took four all steel guns to the range to find out which one I liked the best. Fifty rounds through each. I first shot with a Walther Q4 SF. Nothing special about this pistol and it had the worst trigger, by far, of the four guns. Next up a Langdon tactical Beretta 92X Performance. Great shooting gun, I shot it the best of all. Then a CZ Shadow Orange. Wonderful pistol great all-around, excellent trigger. And, last a P210 standard. The very best trigger in the group.

Even though I had upgraded the trigger on the Q4 it could not keep up with the hammer fired pistols. My heart wanted the beautiful CZ to be the best but the damn ugly Beretta was the best. I could never get rid of the P210 but that Walther probably will not last long in my safe.

These were my finding, you most likely will rate them differently.

Sample of one each, I found the Walther Q5 Match trigger better than the Match SF.

Of course a Beretta massaged by B. Langdon is going to have a head start over factory guns. You can get that CZ massaged, too.

Interesting comments.
My CZ 75 SP-01 from CZ Customs is certainly among the top five pistols I own. The CZ Custom Shop pistol is on a frame with no hammer block, which reduces some creep and travel which shows up in; for example the P220 Legend.
The best trigger I have on a center fire pistol is on a Pardini GT 9 6", not surprising since the trigger is almost completely adjustable.
Second place is a SVI single stack .45.
I lump together a tuned S&W .45, a tuned P220, a P210 Legend, and a much worked over Colt 1911 A1. These triggers are very good but different.

Absolutely my favorite trigger is in a Pardini .22 Bullseye Model, it is as adjustable as an Anschutz Match Trigger.

Thanks for the report. Cool pistols.

We've found that the factory Q4/Q5 triggers (poly or SF) can vary significantly from gun to gun. The action variations are apparent enough to even cause some consternation in closing sales of these models; those who take their triggers very seriously would cherry pick our inventory and if nothing satisfies, simply hold off and try their luck elsewhere. It did allow us to move a few 92X Performances, though. Beretta seems to have managed to get that one consistent, though my own 92X Perf was not one of those (it's gotten better with use however, but bitterly annoying nonetheless).

Perhaps that old, kind of nebulous metric of "stacking tolerances" plays a role in how satisfactorily aftermarket parts and triggers work in these Q guns as well. And I agree that the steel frame Qs do more often seem to have the lessor quality trigger action than the polymer versions do (or even the standard PPQs do). The new PDP makes these differences even more glaring.

What does Langdon do to the factory 92X Performance trigger? I thought it was a pretty good trigger right out of the box.

According to Langdon: "Ernest Langdon took the features of the 92X Performance and performed trigger work to make the DA/SA lighter and smoother and installing LTT's Optimized Performance Trigger to make overtravel less, reset shorter and a longer trigger bar life. If you thought the stock trigger on the 92X Performance was nice.... wait until you get your hands on the 92X Performance with our Trigger Job and Optimized Performance Trigger Bar."

I've got dozens of steel competition pistols. If you want a Walther with an awesome trigger, get one of the Meister Manufaktur models.

The Walther PPQ Q5 SF is a great choice for competition. I've done a bit of customization on mine and am very pleased with it's performance! I enhanced my trigger by installing one from Overwatch Precision.

https://overwatchprecision.com...her-tac-trigger-kit/

Lucky dawgs you. These are some of the sweetest auto pistols I've yet to see. And the amount of machining Walther puts into making these, selling at a reasonable price, simply baffles me. They should get a ton of credit from their Customers, at a time when other makers are seeking the most profit for the cheapest made products. Truely a fine pistol lineup.

I'm not a gunsmith by any means, but I do know what I like and don't like when it comes to triggers. Is it possible for a striker fired pistol's trigger to ever approach the crispness of a pistol with conventional hammer?

You got me

Is the Beretta that you were shooting actually a steel framed firearm? I had always thought they were all alloy frames.

I am very fond of how the CZ pistols fit my hand, but do not currently own any except my CZ97D.

I have no hands on experience with the newer Walther products.

I have a few of the Smith & Wesson Performance Center offerings as well as some of the SIG X-family.



I have never been much of a fan of striker fired pistols, but it sounds like I need to give the newer Walthers a try

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Originally posted by colt_saa:
Is the Beretta that you were shooting actually a steel framed firearm? I had always thought they were all alloy frames...

The 92X Performance is all steel.
The Plain Jane 92X is alloy frame.

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Originally posted by colt_saa:

I have a few of the Smith & Wesson Performance Center offerings as well as some of the SIG X-family.

Love the look of the 356 TSWs. What other PC pistols do you have? Their 9mm guns were the most accurate because they hand built them with care knowing LEOs competed with them in PPC.

Thank You Sir. I had no idea . . . . . . I wish we had a LIKE button on the Forum

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by colt_saa:
Is the Beretta that you were shooting actually a steel framed firearm? I had always thought they were all alloy frames...

The 92X Performance is all steel.
The Plain Jane 92X is alloy frame.

I have several, but that should be a separate thread so we do not take this one too far off course

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Originally posted by SS:

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Originally posted by colt_saa:

I have a few of the Smith & Wesson Performance Center offerings as well as some of the SIG X-family.

Love the look of the 356 TSWs. What other PC pistols do you have? Their 9mm guns were the most accurate because they hand built them with care knowing LEOs competed with them in PPC.

Very nice

I too own several old Performance Center pistols. I love the PPC9, especially the 6" model.

As for current production steel frame pistols, I highly recommend the A01-LD from CZ Custom. Its an incredible shooter. Possible the best $2000 shooter on the market today.







If you don't mind spending a bit more, the Phoenix Redback is possibly the highest quality production pistol currently being produced today and an amazing performer.

bac1023 - do you have a Laugo Arms Alien yet? I've been back and forth about getting one vs. a Phoenix Redback

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bac1023 - do you have a Laugo Arms Alien yet? I've been back and forth about getting one vs. a Phoenix Redback

Yes, I recently picked up the Performance model to go with the Signature model. The Performance is my shooter. They aren't all steel pistols though. The slide and frame are, but the top rail and grip are aluminum.













I actually like the Performance model better from an appearance standpoint, being its a little cleaner.