I'm wondering if there is consensus on whether the classic or the E2 hammer strut system offers a better trigger pull.

The E2 system gives you a better pull than the original metal seat system.

What do you mean by metal seat system? (I thought the original longer mainspring seat was a polymer.)

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Originally posted by neex:
What do you mean by metal seat system? (I thought the original longer mainspring seat was a polymer.)

The original system on all the P-series SIGs is a small piece of all metal seat. The next system is what you're talking about (long polymer seat). Then came the E2 system, which is a SIG NH creation. The Germans stayed with the long polymer seat system.

So Q, I have a 226 Legion and Mk25, does that mean I have long polymer seats? If you swap to E2 can you retain the old grips and get a better trigger? TIA.

They should already have the E2 system, but the only way to know for sure is take off a grip panel and look. If they have the long polymer seat, and you switch to E2, the grips are unaffected. Better pull is very slight. Don't expect anything magical like The Sig Armorer or GGI or LTT level action works.

You can take one of the grip panels off to check. This https://www.realgunreviews.com...inspring-assemblies/ seems like a reasonably good review.

Gotcha, thanks. Merry Christmas.

Thanks. Funny I forgot about the original style. Years ago, I sent my W. German 226 to NH a while back and they "upgraded" some parts (i.e., springs, takedown lever, etc.), but it looks like they didn't mess with the mainspring seat.

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Thanks. Funny I forgot about the original style. Years ago, I sent my W. German 226 to NH a while back and they "upgraded" some parts (i.e., springs, takedown lever, etc.), but it looks like they didn't mess with the mainspring seat.

They work fine but I find it a real pain to change the mainspring.

The plastic based struts give a markably better Da pull then the older metal based struts.

These are the results i felt but tested it on my unknowing wife to double check the difference.

I had two similarly setup P226 that i used as test examples. One with metal based strut and one plastic based. Without telling her anything i had her pull the triggers through and she picked the plastic based struts. To make sure one gun wasn't different then the other then the struts i swapped the struts in the P226’s and again she could feel that the plastic based struts Da pull was better.

I since have changed all my struts over to plastic based including my P225 with the P226 strut system.

Went to great lengths here on the forum to get input from 3-4 of the leading gunsmiths and action specialists represented on the forum at the time and none had anything negative to say about doing the conversion on a P225/6. The stock factory grips presented a problem though as there wasn't enough meat at the rear of the grip to allow one to get clearance between the mainspring assembly and the grips without going completely through the back of the grips.

Hogue grips also has a binding issue with some of the metal bases being produced at the time a newer batch was slightly wider then the originals and was causing a slight gapping between the grip panels. Ken@Hogue was aware of the issue and was fixing to approach Hogue with doing a Rev change to solve the gapping issue with the metal bases.

I did my home work on the plastic based struts by getting all the respected gunsmiths and action specialist represented on the forum and contacted Ken@Hogue who has always been a top notch rep for Hogue and a n ear for the members here.

Ken presented the idea of adding a little meat to the palm swell area of the rear of the grips and making the needed changes internally to the grips to correct the gapping issue they had and at the same time and Rev change allow for the use of the P226 plastic based strut system. The strut system not only gives a better/smoother Da pull but would also allow one to use the std spring weight of the P series springs in the P225 which are 3-4 lbs lighter then the factory P225/6 spring weights.

Ken@Hogue presented the idea and the consensus found out here on the forum to the engineers @ Hogue and they approved the idea and design changes and implemented them on the next Rev change.

Its so nice to be able to upgrade a P225/6 to the plastic based strut system with just a few new parts and a set of grips.
The metal based struts are just a pain in the ass to make spring changes in. I even was gifted one of member GerryR of Total Automations strut tools which helped a-lot but still difficult.

While I prefer to personally stick with factory spring weights in all my Sigs i know that many like the Woolf spring kits with even lighter spring weights for even lighter better trigger pulls which as i understand are great and accepted with regular spring changes.

I also keep all my original struts and grips so that i can always put them back to original factory configurations. All can be undone as fast as they were done.

Thanks. I think I want to inventory all my P-series and see what I got, if not upgrade to the plastic E2 style all around.

I'm assuming my 10mm P220 has the E2, but if not, is it the same strut system as all other P-series?

Also, what about E2 style systems with metal seats? I noticed Grayguns, for example, has a metal seat in their upgrade kit. I'm assuming this is more durable than the polymer, but does it affect trigger feel at all?

I have the original metal bases (not the original old style metal based strut system but the metal upgrade bases to replace the plastic bases" that were designed by what's his name who's name slips my mind that was associated with Gray at the time and a few knock offs and have never notice a difference in trigger feel or trigger pull measured weights.

While the idea of less plastic sounds wonderful in all my years here.

I don't recall any plastic base failures so spend the money if you like but IMO they aren't needed.

Also as to the 220/10mm strut differences I cannot tell you as I have never owned or handled one but the 220/45 has its own strut different from the others "226/8/9".