Sold in Italy in 9x21.

http://www.armeriatomei.it/sig...4-9x21-navy-mk25-1c/

That's interesting. Did Sig US ever make it with the standard rail? I can't recall ever seeing one without the 1913 rail.

Ugh. So it seems that SIG NH marketing has a global reach. At least they didn't forget the anchor, though frankly it's hard to tell if that's just Photoshopped onto a pic of a regular P226. I'm surprised Merkel and her cronies would allow something like that to go unnoticed, given how they been to SIG and the U.S.

This is not an MK25! this is eventually a P226 Navy, the mk25 has the M1913 picatinny rail, this is the standard rail.

I have a MK25 that I purchased when they were first available for sale. It has a M1913 rail and the frame says made in Germany. It has the U prefix serial number as well.

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Originally posted by Fire Away:
I have a MK25 that I purchased when they were first available for sale. It has a M1913 rail and the frame says made in Germany. It has the U prefix serial number as well.

But does the slide say made in Germany and chambered in 9x21?

Not fake or photoshopped.

According to one of the guys who has one, it is triple serial numbered, with the German proof marks.

"Those German Seals, they're real bad asses"



It's like the stainless slide version of my railed folded slide German P226...with an anchor.

No and I never said it did.

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Originally posted by drabfour:

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Originally posted by Fire Away:
I have a MK25 that I purchased when they were first available for sale. It has a M1913 rail and the frame says made in Germany. It has the U prefix serial number as well.

But does the slide say made in Germany and chambered in 9x21?

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Originally posted by mbinky:
"Those German Seals, they're real bad asses"



It's like the stainless slide version of my railed folded slide German P226...with an anchor.

All jokes aside, the frog boys from Kiel are bad asses.

I'm not familiar with Italian gun laws, but the fact that the store selling this model seems to only be advertising SIG rifle CO2 replicas with fixed stocks and the Legion, SIG Pro and other handguns seem to be predominately chambered in 9X21, I would hazard a guess that this MK25 +1C is being built for, and in compliance with, the civilian commercial market. I suppose that it could have been chambered in the 9X21 for some specific government contract, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I'd love to get my mitts on one to check it out and see if it differs at all from a standard P226 frame or slide. Any thoughts on whether a standard P226 frame and slide could accommodate the 9X21?

I would really like to see some pics from the right side and different angles. It appears to be roll marked with an earlier font style...perhaps Germany is still using this style?

Italian civis are not allowed the 9x19. Hence, the 9x21.

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:
I'd love to get my mitts on one to check it out and see if it differs at all from a standard P226 frame or slide. Any thoughts on whether a standard P226 frame and slide could accommodate the 9X21?

The over all of the 9x19 and the 9x21 are the same. The 9x21 has a longer case but the projectile is 2mm shorter or set 2mm deeper into the case. CIP pressuer rating is the same. All SIG and SIGSauer pistols including the P210 can be had in 9x21 for that reason.

As for "Made in Germany", there is no clear guide lines of how much value that had to be added to a product to be marked with "Made in Germany". If might be as well an assembly of US made parts finished in Germany. We only speculate it was, but we actually don´t know unless soembody has spoken with SIGSauer how they deal with this markings.

Dosen't Beretta produce 92 variants chambered in 9x21 for the Italian market? Makes sense Sig would do the same.

ALL European manufactuers produce pistols in 9x21 for the Italian market. One even does not have to live in Italy to get a 9x21. Anywhere you are in EU, you can order it through your dealer. It does not make sense but it´s possible.

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Originally posted by OTD:
The over all of the 9x19 and the 9x21 are the same. The 9x21 has a longer case but the projectile is 2mm shorter or set 2mm deeper into the case. CIP pressuer rating is the same. All SIG and SIGSauer pistols including the P210 can be had in 9x21 for that reason.

Ahh, I knew the 9mm Parabellum and 9x21 IMI case length was different, but was not aware that the overall length and the maximum pressures were virtually identical. So, it would appear that chambering a platform in both calibers is fairly easily doable.

But what about magazines? Would a 9x21 cartridge function properly out of a 9mm Parabellum magazine, or is there some design nuance that requires a magazine specific to the 9x21 IMI cartridge?