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SIG FORUM LEO's, opinions on glass breaker please
July 02, 2021, 01:03 PM
BigSwedeSIG FORUM LEO's, opinions on glass breaker please
I have bought some things from these guys and all have been top quality. I'm looking at these
Magazine Base Plate Window Breaker
I'm thinking about gifting a couple of these to some LEO friends. Would it be useful if needed? Would you want one? Do you trust the Glock mag to hold up if used?
https://milspin.com/products/m...plate-window-breakerI have a coupon code for 45% off
July 02, 2021, 01:53 PM
GraniteguyI would not take the route of a magazine base plate breaker and it has nothing to do with the durability of the mag.
July 02, 2021, 02:25 PM
LTCeverydayI was looking at those as well but they don't make one for the P320.
July 02, 2021, 02:32 PM
KevHNo heckin way.
This is an incredibly stupid idea. A glass breaking punch with a carbide tip is useful in a non-tactical situation.
Glass breaking tools (such as a Shield Spike) are useful in conjunction with a ballistic shields for a vehicle approach and extraction.
Ideally, using a kinetic impact glass breaking round (Pepperball, FN303, 37/40mm, etc) at distance is ideal.
Using the butt of a pistol is the last thing you want an officer using to break auto glass for a myriad of reasons.
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July 02, 2021, 02:52 PM
YooperSigsPass on that. Damaged gun / Damaged mag / Hand injury. I kept a short crowbar in my war bag. Worked wonders on glass and other stuff too. Cheap, too.
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July 02, 2021, 02:54 PM
njautoI would strongly suggest you avoid this for many, many reasons. You could purchase a compact dedicated glass breaker that can be carried in the uniform shirt or pants.
July 02, 2021, 03:12 PM
SIG228Uh, no. Good way to introduce yourself to an ND.
July 02, 2021, 03:21 PM
kidcopNo.
I'd hate to do a tap/rack or emergency reload with one of these attached to a mag. Kind of like that company that attached a spike to a 1911 MSH.
In my entire career Ive seldom had to break glass, usually when serving a search warrant. Then you typically have a center punch or better yet a Halligan tool or the like to break and rake.
BUT, I've done business with the company and they are good people. This just isn't one of their better ideas.
At that price point I'd recommend making sure your friends have good tourniquets and the like if you're in the gifting mood. Thanks for looking out for them regardless.
July 02, 2021, 03:22 PM
DaBigBRNope. Bad plan. Trying to use a gun as a hammer, especially under stress, welcomes an ND.
July 02, 2021, 03:58 PM
ensigmaticquote:
Originally posted by KevH:
No heckin way. This is an incredibly stupid idea.
You put it a lot more diplomatically than I would have
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jsbcodyThis magazine glass breaker is a really, really bad idea. If you want a glass breaker, plenty of "pens" out there that work quite well, along with a glass breaking attachment that goes on the handle of an ASP baton (actually makes it semi useful).
July 02, 2021, 04:26 PM
10roundNo No No No No!
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July 02, 2021, 05:14 PM
.38supersigSounds like a good idea on paper...
Consider taking the head rest off of the seat and using the base structure to shatter the window.
Most will have two 5/8 metal rods with radiused tips that work great on tempered glass.
July 02, 2021, 05:50 PM
BigSwedeThank you for the input fellas, that's what I wanted to hear.
This is for the discerning mall ninja that also sports the Glock Bayonet in a leg holster
July 02, 2021, 05:54 PM
jljonesquote:
Originally posted by 10round:
No No No No No!
But also, no.
July 02, 2021, 06:43 PM
MikeinNCNo fucking way.
Pulling your gun shouldn’t be because it’s a multi tool.
The one time I had to break a car window I used my Asp baton (collapsed) on the edge of the window and it shattered into a thousand bits.
Just no.
Hell our swat guys had lights on their pistols and it was written into policy that if you had a weapon mounted light you couldn’t use it to search with, it was only to illuminate a target.
Someone waving their pistol all around is nothing but trouble.
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hrcjonA decent glass breaker and seat belt cutter tool is like $10. There is no way you should use anything but that if you are doing it in proximity to the glass.
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July 02, 2021, 07:32 PM
iron chefquote:
Originally posted by hrcjon:
A decent glass breaker and seat belt cutter tool is like $10. There is no way you should use anything but that if you are doing it in proximity to the glass.
E.g., the resqme. It weighs next to nothing and is small enough to wear on a keychain.
https://resqme.com/product/resqme/There are a lot of pocket knives & tools out there w/ glass-breaking carbide tips and belt-cutters on them: Gerber Hinderer Rescue knife, Spyderco Assist, Benchmade Triage, Victorinox Rescue Tool, Gerber Strap Cutter (US military issue), BlackHawk HawkHook...
There are so many better options than a magazine basepad.
July 02, 2021, 09:53 PM
357fuzzUuuuhhhhhh…… no F’ing way. Besides no muzzle control when you use it would probably be hell to pay when the boss sees your cruiser seats shredded by that thing!!
I went to a training class where the company was demonstrating a glass breaker that attached to the end of your AR15 barrel. Looked like a little stubby thick bayonet. I didn’t think that was a good idea but, more control than using the ass end of your pistol.
July 03, 2021, 12:27 AM
HCMIn addition to all the other reasons already posted to say no, most new cars are now coming with laminated glass on side windows, which won't yield to tools designed to break tempered glass.
Some Car Windows Are Harder to Break in an Emergency, Says AAA quote:
Here's something you may not know: Every window in your car doesn't necessarily have tempered glass, the kind that turns into a pile of small harmless chunks in case of breakage. Instead, some of your windows, nearly always at the side and occasionally at the rear, may be made of laminated glass.
Why should you care? Mainly because, in the extremely unlikely event of trying to escape a car that's on fire or sinking underwater, those windows could prove unbreakable and could trap you inside.
A new AAA report lists 21 pages' worth of cars and trucks that have laminated side or rear glass that, during the organization's tests, were impenetrable by consumer glass-breaking tools. Some of these vehicles date back to the 1970s, although the majority were built within the past five to 10 years. One in three 2018 models have such glass, AAA claims, which means that if you are trapped in a vehicle and the glass is your only escape route, surviving may depend on knowing exactly which windows are most easily broken.
Not to mention that such impacts on the butt of a magazine can damage the mag catch and the ejector.