I, too, really like the Smith and Wesson CS9, and wonder why it was never very popular. However, I almost never see them used, and wonder if maybe some people have discovered what a great carry pistol they are and don't sell or trade them off.

But, they are no longer in production, and many of their parts are hard to find. I have two of them and carry one every day, but I don't shoot them as often as I'd like because of the spare parts problem.

Thing is, while I shoot the hell out of my CS9, it hasnt broken anything. Nothing.....l

I have changed the recoil spring. But like all my 3rd gen guns, nothing ever breaks. Over the years Ive put aside a couple of ejectors, a spare slide stop and a mag catch as well as a few springs. But Ive yet to need one part.

Dont let the internet bluster from the m&p fanboys about the "lack of spare parts for 3rd gen guns" deter you. Shoot the hell out of it. Thats what it was made for.

Enjoy that fine nine! Regards 18DAI

This may be OT a bit as it is old and out of production but it has the sweetest trigger, eats everything including steel ammo, accurate, 15 + 1 and I had a friend dress it up so the perp thinks it is a toy, lol. BTW if I drop the starred mag at night, it glows so I can find it.


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Good God that is fugly!

Only in the eyes of the beholder and folks who don't appreciate fine art, LOL!!!

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Originally posted by drabfour:
Good God that is fugly!

CZ 97. Great gun and accurate like a lazer beam.

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Originally posted by CQB60:
P250 was snakebit by the FAM's reputation.

I have often wondered what would have been the result of a renaming of the 250 to a 260 or 275 or ANYTHING but continuing on w/ the old model designation. Heck, the guns don't even take the same mags.

Would the 250 have gained a better reputation? Those who do not know better are still badmouthing modern 250's based on the Gen 1 debacle. A shame to be sure.

The 250 is definitely a superb pistol, truly excellent.

And under-rated.

If the 250 had debuted in the 1990s, and the bugs worked out at that time, I think it would have went a long way.

But the DAO was introduced at a time when striker fired was the king. I think that if the 250 had been introduced about the same time the DAK was, the future of the 250 would be a lot different.

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Originally posted by CQB60:
P250 was snakebit by the FAM's reputation.

Along with other even more public contract debacles, with the most spectacular being their protest of the ATF contract.

As others have pointed out, whether or not the kinks were worked out in later versions, the reputation was not going to be overcome.

Look at what happened with the Remington R51. That nightmare didn't even involve losing out on multiple large contracts, that reputation was just ruined by the early problems. Although the "improved" version didn't appear to be much improved, it was never going to overcome it's already established reputation. The same was true of the P250.

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Originally posted by CQB60:
P250 was snakebit by the FAM's reputation.

Along with other even more public contract debacles, with the most spectacular being their protest of the ATF contract.

As others have pointed out, whether or not the kinks were worked out in later versions, the reputation was not going to be overcome.

Look at what happened with the Remington R51. That nightmare didn't even involve losing out on multiple large contracts, that reputation was just ruined by the early problems. Although the "improved" version didn't appear to be much improved, it was never going to overcome it's already established reputation. The same was true of the P250.

There's a big difference between the Rem and the SIG pistols tho in that the Remington has not yet earned anything like the devotees and rave reviews users of the Gen 2 P250 have given it.

As you say, the Rem 51 appears not to have been significantly improved, whereas the reengineering of the P250 gave us a really sterling pistol and very handy interchangeability with many parts of the P320 as well.

HK P2000

P2000 is a steal - at most SANE gun shops - but if you happen to go into a Gander Mountain I think they sniff glue while simultaneously smoking meth before handling the price gun. I s&*T you not, I was in one today and they had a bone stock P2000 in 9mm with contrast sights, not even night sights, priced at $1092. WTF?? The kid behind the counter told me they are extremely rare and hard to come by. Uhhhhh, yeah....

Walther PPQ

CZ P07. A tragically underrated gun.

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The P239 is one of my favorite personal carry pistols. Mine isn't being carried presently, but it's going to head to Bruce Grey at some point for a rework, and may be it will be carried more then. Great pistol. Mine's .40, but I'd like it in .357 Sig.

While i LOVE my P239 in .40 with hogue finger groove grips, it is literally the most comfortable gun to shoot that's not a 1911 i have. I can't make myself get it out of the safe, when my P938 9mm with the same capacity and edc in a pocket holster is so much easier to carry, and shoots very well also.

Im im going to justify the extra weight and IWB or OWB carry like i used to always do, it needs to have about double the capacity for what it weighs.... Thinking about getting a 229 just to fill that role. If they made a Legion 229 in SAO i would be all over it.

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Originally posted by FrankinCA:
Sig P239. I read a lot of people that say a 228 or 229 makes more sense, however, a 239 carries easier.
The P239 is very accurate and shoots like a larger pistol.
Second choice is a Kahr K9. Very accurate and is the size of a lot of .380's

We definitely are thinking alike. The P239 and the Kahr K9 are my current carry guns and I find both to be just about perfect. I often carry both (so easy to do.)

Love my 239 but I'm not sure that they're underrated or unpopular



I did consider it a great deal - got this one last month at a gun show for $500. Added the Nill grips for $160. She's my new favorite EDC - no rail, no tail, no plastic (well OK, the guide rod) two tone... a sweet trigger to boot!

Nice looking firearm. Mine isn't two tone but enjoy it just as much.

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Originally posted by SgtGold:
CZ 97. Great gun and accurate like a lazer beam.

Only underrated by dealers and their inventory buyers. The 97 is one of our most requested 45AUTO guns by customers, but our chief buyer never seems to be on the recipient list of that memo...

Back in the late 1970s and early '80's when the Walther PPkS was king of the pocket pistols, a little upstart from Spain was selling for less but (at least in my circles) had a great reputation for quality and reliability. That challenger was the Astra Constable and while I always wanted to get one for backup use in my capacity as a LEO or off-duty carry, I just never happened to latch on to one until well after my retirement. I found this Constable a few years ago, used but in fine condition. Its a .22, so I own it more as a plinker than for defensive purposes, but its proven to be extremely reliable and quite accurate. For whatever reason, the LGS was offering it for around $175.00, and at that price I'd have been crazy to pass it up!

The FN pistols really are underrated. They'll never have the popularity of Glock, Sig or the like, but they really are sweet shooters and offer a lot of really nice features with probably the best out of the box striker fired trigger. To be fair, I haven't shot a p320 for comparison, I hear they're very good.

Especially now, the FNX models can be had super cheap, as can 40 caliber FNS models.

EFK made barrels to convert 40-9 and 40-357 in both FNX and FNS models (same barrel basically). The FNX45 is still the highest capacity 45 out there and was one of the originators of the factory RMR cut, behind the M&P CORE series of course, maybe some others.


The SP2022s are horrifically underrated too. Most hardly get a look in the gunshops but man are they sweet little shooters.

I can tell you why the recent FN polymer pistols aren't more popular...

While the issue may have been resolved by now, the FNS/FNX pistols had earned quite the unenviable reputation for poor reliability, especially their relatively high-profile issues relating to failures when exposed to heat, including even just being left in the sun. The gun would fail to fire when the trigger was pulled, and the polymer frame would become extremely flexible:



Bruce Gray himself posted some very unflattering remarks about them not all that long ago, though the thread had been pruned so I don't recall his exact reasons. But when Bruce Gray says to steer clear, I listen.