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Where do I begin? Capacity wasn’t an issue as we were coming out of S&W 4566’s. We had a large number of left handed people, who were trained on an ambi slide mounted decocker. We had tritium vials fall out of the sights, grip screws rust and or fall out. Slide/frame galling was frequent ( and we were issued and used RIG +p grease). We had safety levers that were a few thousands too short, such that the pistol would appear operational, but in reality they would not have fired(some of those weren’t discovered until 6 months after being issued). Somewhere I have a copy of an old email I sent to Bruce Gray detailing all the issues. The guns just sucked and CS from SIG was non-existent. | |||
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Gen 4 Glock 22. I hated that gun, but, oddly enough, I shot it well. But that, I am certain, is because I WILLED myself to do so, not because I enjoyed shooting that gun or pulling it's horrible trigger. Houge grips helped, as did swapping the sights, but still, I don't miss it one bit. Even when I had the chance to purchase it at a very good price when turning it in for new issue, I declined. I'm a sentimental guy, but not that sentimental. While we are still stuck with Glock...despite attempts to liberate us...at least I'm now issued a Gen 5 G17, which, while still being a Glock, is a vast improvement in every other way. The addition of TruGlo Tritium Pro sights and a Talon rubber grip actually make me almost wanna purchase my own. Almost.  ________________ tempus edax rerum | |||
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S&W 4006...I never had a problem with it, no malfunctions or anything, but it was HEAVY and only had 11 round magazines. I also hated the giant guard things on the sides the rear sight. My 4006 in particular also appeared to have been frequently used as a hammer by the previous deputy it was issued to. At my previous department I carried a personally owned stainless HK USP .40. I begged to be able to carry that instead. No dice, we had to carry only what was issued, no exceptions. That rule still applies, one issued weapon, no choice, no exception. Hater of fun since 2001! | |||
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The funny part of that was I know some Feebis that said they had nothing but problems with the 1076. KSP had them for over 20 years without issues. | |||
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Mid nineties - last federal agency (I believe) to issue revolvers - Ruger GP100. I left a highway patrol outfit with new Beretta 96s to be handed a .357 Magnum. I knew about the Rugers before I got to the academy as the local agents told me what to expect. The trigger pull felt like it was 85 pounds! After a day of dry firing and then a day on the range at FLETC, I no longer had any feeling left in the pad of my trigger finger. We did a lot of range time, so it stayed that way until I got to my assigned office. It was expected (and I did) that nearly all new hires would return their GP100 to the academy after purchasing their own duty sidearm. Any high quality double action first pull semi auto or all steel six shot revolver - 9mm to .45 Colt was permitted. That’s when I bought my first Sig - a P229. But I couldn’t decide between .40 and .45 so I got P220 too.  Still have those Sigs and quite a few more now. Easily distracted by shiny things | |||
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I'm no expert on the 45, but I think the M&P 2.0 versions are much better than the original 1.0's. At least my 9mm 2.0 is tons better than my 1.0 version. . | |||
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I'm actually kinda surprised at all the hate for the 3rd Gen Smith 40xx guns. I have never liked Smith autos in general but I thought all the 3 gens were well loved. Chris "Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man." | |||
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For the record...I hated my Gen 3 Glock 22 with the mandatory New York trigger almost as much as my 4006, but the Glock was lighter, had night sights (that weren't dead) and a guide rod laser. The Smith only took my WORST spot by about half a point. LOL Hater of fun since 2001! | |||
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Well the NY trigger on a Glock is.......well its....something else. Not that I am the biggest Glock guy out there but talk about taking a perfectly adequate system and saying..."now what can we do to fuck this up just enough..." "Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man." | |||
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4006TSW. The only pistol where parts regularly fall off (de-cocking lever) or break (draw bar). Glad to see that thing go. When we transitioned to a new pistol they asked me if I wanted to purchase my 4006. I asked them why would I want to. It’s not like I have a boat in need of an anchor.  | |||
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My first issue gun was a very well worn 686 that along with all the other duty guns, spit tons of jacket shavings because of timing issues from lots of use and zero armoring. I bought my own GP100 and people on either side of me on the line were eternally grateful not to get stung during quals. Can’t really blame the platform so much as the agency for not keeping them tuned up. My next duty gun was a triple serial number P220 that didn’t give me any problems for nearly 25 years before it was replaced with a P220R. Now I carry a personal P226 no rail. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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I had a much different experience when I switched from agency issued 686 to a personal GP100. My DA pull was better than the agency guns right out of the box. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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Which agency, if you don't mind sharing? | |||
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Beretta 96 Vertec Inox. Besides the weight of carrying that cannon, I wasn’t a fan of a duty gun with a safety. | |||
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No, I don’t mind. Retired now - for 20 years I had the privilege of working with lots of highly dedicated people. It was the U.S. Marshals Service. FWIW, around 2000, they started issuing Glock .40s to new deputies, and by 2003/2004, everyone had a mandatory Glock 22 or 23.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Old Vark WSO, Easily distracted by shiny things | |||
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I was issued a brand new Model 66 in .357 Mag when I hired on in 1989. I never felt out gunned while carrying it. I later carried a personal owed Sig P-220 in .45 which I truly loved. A new Chief mandated that everyone would carry the Glock Model 22 3rd Gen. I hated that pistol for a year or so because I had to retire my Sig and I felt like I had traded down. The hate later changed to just general dislike after I knocked my rear site over and I learned how to shoot it properly. Front sight...Front sight...Front sight...Only Hits Count. NRA Life Member Frank John Boy -Police Lingo | |||
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Last week I ran into one of the deputies I work with occasionally at the range. He was checking the zero on his Gen5 Glock 19 with an RMR attached. Shows how much times have changed. Virtually every federal service will have access to a pistol mounted optic in the next couple of years. I know for fact that CBP, USMS, FAMS, and ATF are headed that way. | |||
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I had the misfortune of being issued a Glock 22. It shot fine until I put a WMLS on it. It wouldn't feed for $hit. Tried new magazine springs, new followers, etc. Nothing helped so they pulled all of the 22s and offered us a Glock 19 or Glock 21. I went with the 21 and never looked back. Apparently a lot of agencies had problems with Glocks and mounted lights. | |||
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Yep. I once had 21 malfunctions(light primer strike) in a 50 round shooting qual in the academy with my Sigma. What a piece of shit. It lead to my academy nickname... Tap rack bang. God bless Gaston Glock. We eventually went to the Glock 22 and then to the Glock 17. I spent 4 years with the Sigma and it it basically meant I was basically unarmed for the first 4 years of my police career. | |||
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