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I can see 9x19 but 380 ammo costs more than 9mm so why? Recoil isn't an issue on a 1911 with 45 much less 9mm, so again why 380? I noticed Browning offers a number of pistols in this configuration. Also CDNN has a number of them at substantial discount, so maybe this answers my question. No car is as much fun to drive, as any motorcycle is to ride. | ||
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| Jack of All Trades, Master of Nothing  |
The Browning 380 is much smaller than a true 1911. My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball. | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
Yep. And it's not just Commander/Officer-style differences in barrel and grip length. It's ~15% smaller in all dimensions. And also more than half the weight. (But that alone is not worth the noticeable decrease in ballistic performance and proprietary parts/accessories, IMO.) | |||
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You are correct so I can now see how it could make sense. When I saw it described as "1911-380 Full Size" I assumed it was regular 1911 size. Specs list it as 15% smaller and only weighing 18 oz. No car is as much fun to drive, as any motorcycle is to ride. | |||
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Recoil is very subjective. Just because you don't find .45 or 9 mm recoil difficult to handle doesn't mean those calibers will work for everyone. Some people have less hand strength to rack slides and grip tightly enough to effectively control chambering in those calibers. .380 is simply what some people are able to manage and this has driven a sub-market in handguns, of which a scaled-down 1911 is one of the offerings. ___________________________ Originally posted by Psychobastard: Well, we "gave them democracy"... not unlike giving a monkey a loaded gun. | |||
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I dunno, the worst recoiling pistol I had (and it was my first center fire one) was a P232 alloy frame in .380. It was also hard to rack. My .45 1911 and 239 in .357 Sig were softer shooting. My Combat Commander 1911 in 9mm is quite gentle to shoot. I guess if someone is very recoil sensitive and they want an 18 oz 1911, .380 can make sense. No car is as much fun to drive, as any motorcycle is to ride. | |||
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| Fighting the good fight |
While the .380 cartridge might produce a bit less energy than the 9mm cartridge, that doesn't mean .380s are necessarily better for folks with less hand strength. .380s tend to be straight blowback actions, which often requires a stronger slide spring that the shooter has to overcome. In addition, they often have stouter felt recoil, due to a heavier reciprocating mass of slide necessary for blowback action and/or the lighter weight of most .380 models. So there are more factors in play there besides just the simple idea that ".380 is a littler smaller so will be better for someone who has trouble handling a 9mm". | |||
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Learn it, know it, live it |
I concur... My original Ruger LCP kicks much more than my Kahr CM9 or PM9.. :   | |||
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Those Browning 1911 shrunk down clone .380’s are cute little guns. Until some dipshit decides to take some shots at his parents and the cops in the hallway trying to get him. It didn’t seem to jam and worked as advertised. | |||
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| Misanthropic Philanthrope |
You seem to be a little out of touch with current .380 offerings. So yes, .380 blow-back pistols do recoil hard(er), I'll give you that. But there are numerous .380 pistols on the market these days that are Browning-type recoil operated, which is the case in the type of pistol the OP has brought to the topic. You have brought an orange into a comparison of apples. ___________________________ Originally posted by Psychobastard: Well, we "gave them democracy"... not unlike giving a monkey a loaded gun. | |||
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Once up a time this was true(r). These days more modern 380 guns like the Bodyguard 2.0, SIG P365/380, Glock G42, EZ 380, this family of Browning 1911s, etc. beg to differ. Even older guns like the Colt Mustang and its subsequent clones SIG P238 and Kimber Micro 380 rewrote the common blowback playbook when it came to the caliber. -MG | |||
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Shaman |
Llama made a scaled down .380 1911.  He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. | |||
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Imbel makes or has made full size 1911 types in .380; being that 9mm Para is too military for you, senhor. They are now showing a 9x18.3 that is just under the maximum allowable muzzle energy for civilian sales in Brazil. | |||
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I was interested in the Browning mini 1911 until I saw the price. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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| Misanthropic Philanthrope |
Exactly. As of now, the only blowback .380 in production that I can think of is the Walther PPK. And all of the guns you mentioned are very mild recoiling and easier to rack the slide than blow-back counterparts. Did I understand you correctly that the Colt Mustang and the SIG P238 are blowback? They are not. They are Browning recoil-operated designs. ___________________________ Originally posted by Psychobastard: Well, we "gave them democracy"... not unlike giving a monkey a loaded gun. | |||
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Barbarian at the Gate |
Yes, actually a couple versions, I have the IIIA model from the early ‘70s. Doesn’t like Hollow points other than Hornady Critical defense. Seems many are jamomatics but mine shoots fine. “Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present Generation to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven, that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it.” ― John Adams "Fire can be our friend; whether it's toasting marshmallows, or raining down on Charlie." - Principal Skinner. | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
I think it makes sense.  In the fall, I finally purchased a P238 Emperor Scorpion when I found out they were back into production, and I love this little gun. It replaced my LCP as a backup and pocket gun, and it is demonstrably better in all respects. A micro 1911 without a grip safety, what's not to like? After 400 rds, not one single problem and it is a great shooter "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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