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Originally posted by arcwelder:
Pics or it didn't happen.

Korth Classic .357 with the special plasma finish..



Unfired WW1 Webley Mk6 in .455...



Ed Brown Executive Elite II 9mm..

Brno ZKR551 in .38 Special. These sell for big money these days - up to $USD5,000 in the US and Europe....

Some Soviet /Russian target pistols... The bottom one is one of the rarest pistols in the world and the design was so innovative and groundbreaking that Feinwerkbau used some the ideas in their AW93 ..

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Originally posted by lenny:
Well, think again !

You're a gun owner and you're welcome here. And I'm not a Debbie Downer but I'd like to wake you up with a sobering thought.

Your thread is titled "Who thinks that guns are banned in Australia?" and your message is "Well, think again!" Pointing to yourself who have 88 handguns and 26 rifles as proof that guns are not "banned in Australia."

That would be like Kim Jong Un starting a thread titled "Who thinks people are starving in North Korea?" And then saying "I've had prime rib and lobster for the last 30 days!"

You're part of the elite whom your government has deigned to be granted the privilege of having firearms because you apparently have the means to buy firearms and the government approved reasons for wanting guns - target shooting and collecting. But what about your fellow Australian who could probably only afford one handgun and wants to have one for self-defense? Would the Australian government allow him the privilege? Telling him he could change his reason to target shooting and collecting is the equivalent of saying "let them eat cake."

I'm elderly now and can't see very well. I'll need more photos before I believe your braggadocio.

Well done Mate

I suspect Lenny is indeed well aware of the positive and negative realities and of gun ownership in OZ. He probably has as much influence on the negative aspects of that firearm reality in OZ, as pro gun members in this forum who live in NY, NJ, CA and other states where the anti gun sentiment is well entrenched in state governments.

Nice collection Lenny. That Korth is stunning!

Very impressive collection. Thanks for sharing the photos.

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Originally posted by lenny:

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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
What are the basic laws in Australia?

You can own a firearm, any firearm, of you have a 'Good Reason'.

In my case, I have 2 Good Reasons - Target-Shooting and Collecting. I shoot at a club/shooting range that is about 2 miles from where I live so it's pretty convenient.

There is no limit on the number of guns, rifles, handguns etc that you can own. My collection of 88 handguns is quite modest compared to some other shooters/collectors in my area - the most held by an individual in my home city is about 800 - 50/50 handguns & rifles.

You do have to keep them in safe storage at your residence and not just leave them lying around on your coffee table.

With a special endorsement on your licence, you can even own machine guns - with prices of these about 10% of what something similar sells for in the US.

So what hoops do you need to jump through to get a 'license'? Fees for such? Any punitive taxes involved on firearms, ammo, etc?

Also, what are the approved 'Good Reasons'? Does self-defense for the average bloke fly? I prefer 'All Lawful Purposes' if somebody wants to know...Just sayin'

I often think that if only the founders phrased certain things in more ghetto terms, there would be less debate.

For example, once my own country gets founded, a viable reason could be anything up to and including "Sometimes fuckers need killing".

Might just make that sentiment the entire preamble.

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Originally posted by lenny:
Some pictues -

Swiss family ( at least most of them)..



NIB High-Standard Citation - early Hamden manufacture..

I have a 1956 High Standard Supermatic
A 1952 Duramatic with the 4" and 6" barrels.
And a 1982 Victor.


Oh and a BIG fan of Akubra hats too!

Nice Swiss Family, very impressive.

I've never thought guns were totally banned in either place but effectively legally owning a gun for self-defense or walking down any street with a rifle, lets say an AK, yea that's banned in both UK/AUS.

What's the percentage of conceal carry licenses in population and how many new ones are issued every year?

Also how many states(regions/etc) are open carry or constitutional carry (allow you to carry no license/no training etc)?

It's a simple thing to say "look I got all these so its not banned see".

However, it's a pretty silly joke to say "Who thinks that guns are banned in Australia" and then to try to take the side that nah we got plenty of rights over here because I personally have guns.... doesn't mean Australia really has gun rights there, at all.

AUS took one shooting and used it as a "horrible tragedy" not to be wasted in politics and jammed through registration, mass confiscation schemes and more, taking the rights from the many and only leaving them with wealthy collectors seems along the lines of most progressed places.....

UK/AUS have large restrictions affecting most of their population making access to firearms difficult/time-consuming/impossible for regular people and having a gun for carrying likely outlawed for most civilians.

My bigger problem with the UK is that there isn't much of a right to self-defense of yourself or your property.

I don't know if Australia similarly has gutted self-defense laws so that may not apply...

I'm getting a sense that Gun rights in Australia seem to be for the rich/the few and not the many.

Neither of the two reasons you got approved for owning guns included anything about "personal protection".

If say someone broke into your home and you shot them with one of your guns would you be in the clear or would you likely be doomed, whats the truthful answer to that, would they say that gun must have not been in your safe, etc?

I wonder if an Australia government body would approve a gun for a civilian for self-defense reasons, or if you have heard of that or new anyone who got one.

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Yes, but how many Lithgow/Enfields?

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Originally posted by SevenPlusOne:
Yes, but how many Lithgow/Enfields?

1894 Lee Metford Mk1 in .303
1907 Lee Enfield No1 Mk3 in .303
1916 Lee Enfield No1 Mk3 .303
1917 Lee Enfield No1 Mk3 .303
1943 Lithgow No1 Mk3 .303
1944/1953 Lee Enfield No 4 Mk1/3 .303

and the jewel of my .303 collection is a -

Mint 1944 Lee Enfield No4T Sniper Rifle, made by Holland and Holland, with correct matching No32 Mk3 scope (which is worth almost as much as the rifle these days !)

To feed this lot, I also have 8,500 rounds of .303 military ammunition - all UK, Aus or NZ made. Some rounds in their original dated 1916 waxed packages.

and also 4,000 Hornady 174gr FMJ BT projectiles...

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Originally posted by lenny:

quote:

Originally posted by SevenPlusOne:
Yes, but how many Lithgow/Enfields?

1894 Lee Metford Mk1 in .303
1907 Lee Enfield No1 Mk3 in .303
1916 Lee Enfield No1 Mk3 .303
1917 Lee Enfield No1 Mk3 .303
1943 Lithgow No1 Mk3 .303
1944/1953 Lee Enfield No 4 Mk1/3 .303

and the jewel of my .303 collection is a -

Mint 1944 Lee Enfield No4T Sniper Rifle, made by Holland and Holland, with correct matching No32 Mk3 scope (which is worth almost as much as the rifle these days !)

To feed this lot, I also have 8,500 rounds of .303 military ammunition - all UK, Aus or NZ made. Some rounds in their original dated 1916 waxed packages.

and also 4,000 Hornady 174gr FMJ BT projectiles...

nice start,

a few of the Aussie collectors on another forum have many many more, (as do some of us US collectors,


anyhoo,,,,

you got me beat on the ammo, I am at maybe 6K,,


curious on your comment on the No 32 Mk 3,
what are they going for in Oz now,

I paid what I thought was a premium for a like new one not long ago, (No 32 Mk # with mount, loose in the wild , in near mint shape, is rare here)

and I shipped a MK 2 off the Canada to get it worked on (turrents were froze)

that one came on a BSA that H&H worked on , that was apparently sent to Malaysia ( refurbed at a Base Workshop) then ended up in a Canadian chest, and then spent 40 yrs in a guys house maybe 10 miles from me,,,

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:

quote:

Originally posted by lenny:
Some pictues -

Swiss family ( at least most of them)..



NIB High-Standard Citation - early Hamden manufacture..

I have a 1956 High Standard Supermatic
A 1952 Duramatic with the 4" and 6" barrels.
And a 1982 Victor.


Oh and a BIG fan of Akubra hats too!

Damn nice Hi Standards - I particularly like the Victor. It looks as though it left the factory this morning !

quote:

Originally posted by divil:
I suspect Lenny is indeed well aware of the positive and negative realities and of gun ownership in OZ. He probably has as much influence on the negative aspects of that firearm reality in OZ, as pro gun members in this forum who live in NY, NJ, CA and other states where the anti gun sentiment is well entrenched in state governments.

Nice collection Lenny. That Korth is stunning!

Here is a picture of one of my other Korths - the Korth PRS - and a videos on these fascinating guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02ZdYUPtp7g

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Originally posted by lenny:
Here is a picture of one of my other Korths - the Korth PRS - and a videos on these fascinating guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02ZdYUPtp7g

Beautiful Family you have there Lenny.

I shot several of the Korth PRS configurations 9 or 10 years ago at NSSF's Media Day at the Range which was in conjunction with the SHOT show

I was very impressed though admittedly I have not gotten around to buying one yet

Here is the original video that the Factory released back then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jTomsQAi10

Lenny, you may be the only Member of Sig Forum who owns a PRS. Slight possibility bac1023 has one. Regarding the Enfields sir, I've had 1 Canadian Long Branch #4 Mk 1 and 1 Pattern 14 Eddystone. Your Lee Metford is the one milsurp rifle I never found. Not in any gun shop, not at any gun shows. Had I acquired the Metford rifle, a local bullet caster made lead bullets which I would have loaded for target shooting.

I adore the P240s and the 208. If you get time Lenny, post up a better photo please sir. Thank you.