I mean look at 9x19 or .45 or .38 special. These are all rounds that have been with us for a century or more. A century where we have gone from horses/the Model T to walking on the moon and the internet. It just amazes me how some calibers Just soldier on and on and on.

I believe we will colonize space at some point and by God there will probably be 12 gauge shotgun and a .45 pistol out there too.

I was just musing at all the history some of these cartridges have seen.

The .22 is likely the oldest, still common round. And I agree...it'll be out there with the 12 gauge.

On the other hand: 40S&W, 357Sig, 45 GAP!
Sad, I relly like .357Sig!

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Originally posted by solanog:
I relly like .357Sig!

Ditto

As someone who shoots several calibers you haven't been able to buy in 60-80 years and several calibers you could never buy.... no.

30-30 and 45-70 seem to be doing fine!

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Originally posted by cslinger:


I believe we will colonize space at some point and by God there will probably be 12 gauge shotgun and a .45 pistol out there too.

Probably a 1911, and someone's gonna complain about it!

I think that .22 Short has been around for 160 years or so.

Still easier to find (and cheaper) than a box of 9mm Steyr or 440 Cor-Bon.

I use:

.17 HMR, .22 LR, .32 ACP, .380, 9mm, .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .45 ACP, 5.56, .308, and 12 gauge

All have been around a long time except the 17 HMR. I supposed the next newest round is 5.56, dating to the early 60's, followed by the .308 from the 50's.

Seems for something to really have staying power, it has to be issued by more than one military and/or more than one country's police force. That puts a lot of guns out there and a lot of ammo, reaching a critical mass that keeps the demand up.

It's kind of sad that "better" rounds don't get enough traction to go far. A lot of innovation goes out the window as we tend to stick with the tried and true.

.327 Federal Magnum was a great idea for a J-frame, but it virtually dead
.357 Sig is used by the Secret Service and some other LEO organizations, but it's not doing well in the consumer market now
.45 GAP might as well have been Dead on Arrival.
6.8 mm SPC didn't get very far.

And so on...

Wondering what's going to happen with .300 Blackout, and if the .40 S&W will stick around or go the way of the 10 mm.

.45 GAP was a bit of a non-starter. Glock wanted their name on a round, so they cobbled something together that wasn't very compelling.

357SIG has price issues compared to 9mm, without a really compelling practical advantage. I think it'll fade from the LE world. But there are enough people who like it that it will stay available. It's sort of the 10mm of 9mm.

.40 has lost some popularity in the LE world, but it's still there and it big numbers. It's certainly not going away. And it's only one well publicized 9mm failure to stop disaster from coming back on the up cycle. For many civilian shooters, it doesn't have a compelling advantage, especially for non-defensive use. 9mm is cheaper and easier as a range round.

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Originally posted by solanog:
On the other hand: 40S&W, 357Sig, 45 GAP!
Sad, I relly like .357Sig!

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Originally posted by cslinger:

I believe we will colonize space at some point and by God there will probably be 12 gauge shotgun and a .45 pistol out there too.

12 Gauge will be around, mostly in sawed off Browning 2000's on the moons of Jupiter.

Didn't Hicks have a 12 gauge in Aliens?

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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
Didn't Hicks have a 12 gauge in Aliens?

And a 10mm rifle... What else would you use against aggressive, angry Aliens?

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
45-70 seem to be doing fine!

No, you must be wrong. Back in 1990 a buddy and I went to a gun show. I bought a Browning 1878 in .45-70 because it was obsolete and priced accordingly. A few aisles along a guy had a whole stack of ammo for it. I didn't need it because I still had a pile for my Springfield, but it had a price of $4 a box. And the seller was willing to sell it to me for $3 if I bought it all. His reasoning was he hadn't sold a box in his shop in a couple or years. He just wanted it gone. So my buddy met me halfway, willing to carry my new gun so I could handle the ammo. Then a while along another guy had a bunch more. He was willing to meet the first guys price if I bought all of his.

Talk about being loaded down. So we went to the car to lessen our load. Didn't see any more. But not long ago I saw some in a gun shop. That guy wanted $40 a box for his new production. I wasn't buying. The smart buyers look at the annual list of most sold reloading dies. Its always on the list. Never on the top like the .30-06, but usually in the top 10.

And that isn't really a great indicator because dies generally last a lifetime. Yours. There are just calibers that almost everyone who shoots them reloads. I'll add in two near and dear to my heart. The .22 Jet and the .32-20. Factory ammo is too expensive and hard to find. That scarcity is what lets the shops keep their prices way too high.

Oops, I left off the .30 Lugar. I still buy every box I see cheap at gun shows..

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
I use:

.17 HMR, .22 LR, .32 ACP, .380, 9mm, .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .45 ACP, 5.56, .308, and 12 gauge

Holy shit, Lefty, you need to join a support group like a gun forum!