I was out at the range today with a DA/SA P2000. Was loading five at a time. First shot DA, next 4 SA. Rinse repeat.

The first three rotations of this first shot DA RIGHT ON THE MONEY.....And I pull the SA!!! Shot a little low. How friggin opposite is that. .

I just thought it was funny at how opposite from the normal DA/SA shooter that is.

For some reason, any DA/SA Sig I've ever owned, I've always shot it better on the first DA shot.
Then in consecutive decocking, I shot better DA than SA most of time.

That is what established my love of the DAK trigger years ago.
It also established my love for Glocks with a consistent trigger pull.
Sold ALL my Sigs 5 years ago, except for my 2 WG models, and started buying Glocks.

I even converted a DA/SA HK Compact to LEM for that reason.
But I hated the LEM and sold the pistol.

I've always favored a consistent trigger pull since.

Now the SA of the DA/SA on my S&W revolvers is another story..

I also find my DA shots to be more accurate. I chalk it up to the millions of DA dry-fires I have done.

Several years ago I conducted an experiment with a number of people who were issued DA/SA P220s. I had them fire a series of groups both double action only and single action only. Although in their training and qualifications they fired many more rounds in single action, the experiment double action groups were smaller on average.

I no longer argue about the issue, though; people believe what they want first, and then (perhaps) what’s justified by the facts. And besides, hammer-fired DA/SA and double action only handguns are dinosaurs on the way to extinction, so it doesn’t matter anyway.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
...And besides, hammer-fired DA/SA and double action only handguns are dinosaurs on the way to extinction, so it doesn’t matter anyway.

Chuckle

A long, smooth DA pull allows you to relax and be seeing the perfect sight picture when the shot is released.

It's a Zen moment .. a mini-orgasm.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
It's a Zen moment .. a mini-orgasm.

I must have bought the wrong caliber.

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A long, smooth DA pull allows you to relax...

We’re still talking about guns, right?

Simple. Two factors. It's the fact that the transition between the first DA shot and subsequent SA shots has to be properly managed. In addition, the trigger finger, relative to the trigger face, is different between DA and SA. It's not due to the fact that DA is simply heavier than SA.

Look at it this way:

1) Stage 1. DA pull. Angle of trigger finger (1st joint forward) is roughly right angle to trigger face at beginning of pull. This angle is less likely to displace the pistol. Provided the DA is not rough or excessively heavy.

2) Stage 2. First SA pull. Now the angle has changed to roughly a 30 degree angle. If not managed properly, will result in POI lower, left or both.

3) Stage 3. Subsequent SA shots. Depends on whether shooter either moves contact point higher on the finger towards the pad or adjusts technique to offset the newly acquired angle.

I action tune all of my own guns. This is especially important for my DA/SA Sigs, which all use the P-SPIT trigger and G10 grips. The trigger and grips allow a slightly shorter trigger reach. The smoother/lighter DA allows me to use more of the finger pad for the DA, which places it in a better position for the following SA shots.

I started with revolvers back in the 1960's and action tuned all of them. If all that mattered was the weight of the DA pull, nobody would have been able to hit squat. There were and are a number of defensive shooters using revolvers that can match a good shooter with a semi. FWIW, I shot some DAK guns after Sig introduced them. Liked the action very much. However, couldn't justify replacing all of my DA/SA's.

Next time you're at the range, try cocking the hammer for the first shot. Then position the trigger finger pad farther forward and press. My guess is that you should see good results.

I've been shooting DA/SA Sigs since 1995. Also own 1911's, Glocks and P320's. Until my arthritis started a few years ago, I shot the DA/SA as well as my other guns. However, single mode pistols are generally simpler to master. I'm not knocking anybody's gun handling skills or choices. Just acknowledging many don't have the time, desire or inclination to use DA/SA. For defensive uses, I actually prefer the heavier DA first shot capability. Some don't.

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Originally posted by cslinger:
DA RIGHT ON THE MONEY.....And I pull the SA!!! Shot a little low. How friggin opposite is that. .

I just thought it was funny at how opposite from the normal DA/SA shooter that is .

I've never understood how this belief became so accepted as the "norm" when the truth is the opposite.

In many years of instructing and helping co-workers through qualification with their DA/SA pistols, I've always found that they shoot DA better...there is just less room for anticipation

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Originally posted by KMitch200:

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Originally posted by RichardC:
It's a Zen moment .. a mini-orgasm.

I must have bought the wrong caliber.

I'll have what he's having...

or should it be

I'll shoot what he's shooting

#dasaposse

I shot a match over the weekend with a TDA gun (not a Sig but it doesn't matter). A couple of dozens poppers and plates per stage. On most stages the first DA shot was good and I missed the second shot. I was moving the gun to a new plate or whatever but that doesn't matter either.

This is because (1) I'm not that good and (2) it literally only takes a couple of millimeters of muzzle movement to completely miss a plate or even a 3 foot tall popper, especially if it's 12 - 15 yards or more away.

For me, it's not the 'transition' everyone talks about, or 2 different trigger pulls or the position of my finger on the trigger it's this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0rGtXh23I

This is why I converted my 229 to DAK.