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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by ScotP7:
I've shot PPQ and VP triggers (never an S&W), and they are definitely better than even upgraded Glocks, but are they as good as a humble P7? And if not, I wonder why not.
And, certainly, maybe my impression is incorrect, and just based on too little experience with some of the "new" striker fire guns.

Keep in mind that even through "striker-fired" tends to get lumped into one category, there is still much variation between striker-fired handguns trigger mechanisms.

Some striker-fired guns have strikers that are fully cocked, and the trigger simply releases the striker. These are more like a hammer-fired SA trigger.

Other striker-fired guns have strikers that are fully or nearly fully uncocked, and the trigger pull must retract the striker before releasing it. These are more like a hammer-fired DA trigger.

Most striker guns these days are in-between, with a striker that is cocked most of the way, with the trigger pull finishing the final amount of striker cocking and then releasing the striker. In addition, many striker-fired guns have built-in drop safety mechanisms that are actuated as part of the trigger pull as well.

So it's not always an apples-to-apples comparison between two triggers, even if they're both "striker-fired". One trigger may be doing a lot more than another, with more parts interaction along the way, while another may be strictly releasing a striker. Therefore it would be easier to make the latter feel clean/short/light/smooth than the former.

This is the most likely reason why the P7's trigger feels so good to you compared to some of the others. On the P7, the separate grip mechanism fully cocks the striker, and the trigger is relegated strictly to releasing it. Thus it's more akin to a SAO trigger such as on a 1911, and easier to make it feel short/light/clean, compared to most of the other striker guns these days whose triggers are doing much more during the trigger pull (disengaging a firing pin drop safety, retracting the striker, and releasing the striker).

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by Kskelton:
PPQ for sure and the grip of Walther has always been good for me. Not sure what makes the PPQ any more “meh” than any other striker fire gun as far as I’m concerned all of the polymer striker-fire guns are “meh”

Let's see. Breakage, recoil impulse is about the same as throwing a concrete block up against the wall, and the sight tracking is horrid (I'm being a bit generous there).

A few years ago, I pointed out that the PPQ was a "great trigger" and that was about it, as you see no one in the upper crust of competition using it, and no high end LE/.gov organization uses it. The PPQ fanboys came out of the woodwork pointing at unknown competitors on the upper lower tier that swears by them. They tried the whole "well, its about money conspiracy theory" that Glock was just outspending them in the competition world. They tried the whole range shaming and bullying thing at matches. They tried virtually everything to make excuses.

And then I pointed out that Apex Tactical was building a trigger system for the gun as part of an effort to make the gun usable. They again went apeshit, claiming that ONLY A FOOL thinks that the PPQ needs anything. What I couldn't tell them at the time, was that was all done at the request of, and by the direction of executives and engineers at Walther. The thread was good for a laugh knowing what I knew but couldn't say at the time, at how rabidly loyal a few people are, despite all of the facts otherwise.

The gun is a whole lot of "meh" and has a following because of its "great trigger" and thats about it. A few years from now, it will be no further along than what it is now, as it has topped out in popularity and market share.

There are so many better choices out there to include the P320, Gen5 Glock, 2.0, and the p10c. All are very shootable, and all have pretty decent triggers out of the box without the limitations that the PPQ brings to bear.

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Originally posted by SigSentry:
My striker experience is limited to the LC9s and CW9. As mentioned, the Kahr is more like DAO. The LC9s feels really good. Not sure what the ideal profile is but I found this. Big improvement over the LC9.