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December 03, 2014, 06:31 PM
SiG Zag
Thanks for that, that's my personal favorite and that's a great resource. Much appreciated.
SIG P228 (x2), Mosquito and P250 9mm
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Why do they say "is he known to carry any weapons"? like it is a bad thing?
December 03, 2014, 06:55 PM
rpm2010
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Originally posted by xwesler:
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Originally posted by 12131: xwesler: your all German made and proofed 2011 P228R.
Yessir.
Oh boy there are so many 228's I have yet to own like those 12131 has...and the triple S/N 228R is one that caught my eye...blink, blink, I now have several new grail guns to find!
December 03, 2014, 07:09 PM
rpm2010
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Originally posted by wgsigs:
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Originally posted by rpm2010: That pretty much covers it 12131!....the only one I don't see in the bunch and it may not qualify because it wasn't regular a production gun, almost impossible to locate these days, would be the M11's (no rail) that actually came in as CPO's years back (according to SIG lore), with the M11 visible (not blurred out). I've seen pictures of them in the past, GUNS AMERICA. I hope it's not another ghost gun.
I actually hate to mention this also but I have a M11B that I got directly from SIG Academy the slide is not proofed and has no S/N, but is marked made in Germany, the barrel have the matching S/N with the frame. The other M11B (Sig Academy) I have has the proof mark, DE, and S/N on the slide and frame, but no S/N on the barrel, so not Triple S/N. I only mention this as there may be a few other M11B owners who have these as well, with only so few of them out there it's hard to understand why the variations exist, I can only theorize that they must have run out of the German proofed slides at some point.
Yeah why me right? Basically, what I've described may be considered anomalies, may be best to just footnote these.
12131, I know you want to be thorough with anything you put out, that's the only reason I mentioned the above guns.
That is an interesting M11 that you posted. I wonder how it "escaped" as I've always heard that current guns with military markings could not be sold commercially. Do the "M11" and "U.S." markings look correct (size and font)? The slide is interesting, too, as there is no "Made in Germany" and the font of the P228 looks different to me. I can't make out the first number of the serial number to get an approximate age. Did this gun sell for $2,800? I heard of a CPO P228 sell for almost $3,000 (maybe it was on Gunbroker and not Guns America) possibly because the buyer thought is was a real M11.
rpm2010, are you saying your second M11B has a proof mark and the "DE", or are you calling the "DE" a proof mark (because it isn't)? If it is the latter, then both of your Sig Academy M11Bs are interesting because I thought all of the M11Bs were assembled in Germany and had German proof marks. I guess I was mistaken.
It is my understanding that a complete assembled gun is proofed, so running out of proofed slides makes no sense to me. The lack of proof marks makes me think these M11Bs were either assembled in the U.S., or are CPOs. Were they sold to you as new guns?
I apologize for the digression, but sometimes I get caught up in the historical minutiae (trivia?) of SIG pistols.
wgsigs,
It's not like I changed the slide on the gun, this is the way it came in from the Sig Academy. It has the special K Cote finish and the MP (magnetic particle) testing etching. And it's not only on one, I had two of these, but sold one, both same as what you see in the pic. I'll try and get a pic of the other one.
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December 03, 2014, 07:37 PM
WaterburyBob
The 228 was featured at least once as Sig's Gun-of-the-Month (GOTM). The April 2004 GOTM model I have has Hi-Viz sights.
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December 03, 2014, 07:41 PM
Swpre18
My favorite thread of sig pistols.
December 03, 2014, 08:06 PM
Slippery Pete
I swore allegiance to the 228 many years ago. Sadly, I don't own one right now. I've had 4 different ones, including a DAO which was a mistake but I ended up liking it anyway.
This thing had a Bar Sto match barrel, Crimson Trace grips, and was good time shooting at paper.
I actually hate to mention this also but I have a M11B that I got directly from SIG Academy the slide is not proofed and has no S/N, but is marked made in Germany, the barrel have the matching S/N with the frame. The other M11B (Sig Academy) I have has the proof mark, DE, and S/N on the slide and frame, but no S/N on the barrel, so not Triple S/N. I only mention this as there may be a few other M11B owners who have these as well, with only so few of them out there it's hard to understand why the variations exist, I can only theorize that they must have run out of the German proofed slides at some point.
Yeah why me right? Basically, what I've described may be considered anomalies, may be best to just footnote these.
12131, I know you want to be thorough with anything you put out, that's the only reason I mentioned the above guns.
rpm2010, are you saying your second M11B has a proof mark and the "DE", or are you calling the "DE" a proof mark (because it isn't)? If it is the latter, then both of your Sig Academy M11Bs are interesting because I thought all of the M11Bs were assembled in Germany and had German proof marks. I guess I was mistaken.
It is my understanding that a complete assembled gun is proofed, so running out of proofed slides makes no sense to me. The lack of proof marks makes me think these M11Bs were either assembled in the U.S., or are CPOs. Were they sold to you as new guns?
I apologize for the digression, but sometimes I get caught up in the historical minutiae (trivia?) of SIG pistols.
wgsigs,
It's not like I changed the slide on the gun, this is the way it came in from the Sig Academy. It has the special K Cote finish and the MP (magnetic particle) testing etching. And it's not only on one, I had two of these, but sold one, both same as what you see in the pic. I'll try and get a pic of the other one.
Sorry, I misread your post and thought that there were no proof marks anywhere on your M11B, but you were only talking about the slide. That was why I was confused and thought there might be U.S. assembled M11Bs. Are the three proof marks on the left side of the barrel hood?
When I was responding about running out of German proofed slides not making sense, I was trying to say slides are not proofed, just completed guns, so slides do not necessarily have to have a proof mark. And as I recall OTD saying before, triple serial numbers is not a legal requirement by Germany, but more of a tradition.
I thought I was doing a good job of staying out of trouble, but I guess I haven't been completely successful.
December 03, 2014, 08:34 PM
12131
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Originally posted by xwesler:
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Originally posted by 12131: xwesler: your all German made and proofed 2011 P228R.
It's BA (2010). So, I will make correction. Thanks!
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Originally posted by cherokee2u: Great post. Much information that is greatly appreciated.
And no you can not have my KA Nickel
Hey, at least a glimpse of it?
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Originally posted by WaterburyBob: The 228 was featured at least once as Sig's Gun-of-the-Month (GOTM). The April 2004 GOTM model I have has Hi-Viz sights.
Oh yes, you are right. How could I forget. Thanks for reminding. Will make an additional note. And, I invite you to post yours.
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Originally posted by fyimo:
Always fond of those Swiss police P228s.
Q
December 03, 2014, 09:20 PM
onequickwrench
I thought the 228 Nickel I sold you last week would be unique (it was in my small collection) only to find out via this thread that you already have these! Oh well, at least it's in good company. Well done on the thread.
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December 04, 2014, 12:21 AM
XLT
very nice write up.
December 04, 2014, 04:26 AM
tundrav84wd
Agreed,..excellent write up. Thank you for taking the time to do it!
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December 04, 2014, 08:12 AM
SiGagain
nice thread and nice to see some of the things that have only been talked about on the Forums...
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December 04, 2014, 08:44 AM
striker1
That is all.
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December 04, 2014, 10:02 AM
rpm2010
Okay, here's the other M11B, oddly S/N on the Frame & Slide, but not on the barrel (the barrel is stamped "DE"), I have seen some with the triple S/N as well.
Excellent thread 12131, please accept my apologies if I muddied it up a bit, but I think the M11B is now well represented, along with all the other awesome 228's you have presented.
December 04, 2014, 11:21 AM
wgsigs
Yes, 12131, an excellent and very informative thread. Glad you put all of this information in one place and in "writing".
December 04, 2014, 12:30 PM
MHolland
Awesome post! I miss my P228R that I traded to a forum member here (I forgot his name!) for a P30 that I LOVE. But I still miss that 228R. I know I'm the odd man out but I really like the look of the rail on the 228. And I like the 228 slide so no 229 for me.
December 04, 2014, 02:12 PM
12131
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Originally posted by rpm2010: Okay, here's the other M11B, oddly S/N on the Frame & Slide, but not on the barrel (the barrel is stamped "DE"), I have seen some with the triple S/N as well. Excellent thread 12131, please accept my apologies if I muddied it up a bit, but I think the M11B is now well represented, along with all the other awesome 228's you have presented.
No apology necessary, D. I'm really glad you brought up the discussion, with pics of the M11B variants. It helps consolidating everything into one place. Thanks.
Q
December 04, 2014, 03:05 PM
rpm2010
12131, you're welcome, appreciate you staying on point!
December 04, 2014, 04:27 PM
sgshoemake
Thanks for all the time and effort you put into this posting
Do you know if the P228 started with the serial number B000 000 or maybe B100 000? I'm asking because I have a P228 with the serial number B100 6xx (JK)
but I have a M11B that I got directly from SIG Academy the slide is not proofed and has no S/N, but is marked made in Germany, the barrel have the matching S/N with the frame. The other M11B (Sig Academy) I have has the proof mark, DE, and S/N on the slide and frame, but no S/N on the barrel, so not Triple S/N. I only mention this as there may be a few other M11B owners who have these as well, with only so few of them out there it's hard to understand why the variations exist, I can only theorize that they must have run out of the German proofed slides at some point.
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