The P228 - facts, factoids, and opinions ((**Updated** - P226C (aka, PROTO-1) info incorporated into OP))
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Originally posted by ford_shooter: called sig back and after being on hold for 30 min I finaly got to talk to someone. This time I was told its too old for their system and that it is more than likely a P229 frame. He couldn't give me a part number either.
Figure. Happened too many times.
Q
December 28, 2016, 01:34 PM
ford_shooter
yeah it sucks knowing now its not a real P228 like I wanted but I'm still going to shoot the hell of it. Don't feel as bad now if i scratch it.
December 28, 2016, 04:45 PM
TexasRaider
Wow, now *that* is a post...just stumbled onto this, and as someone whose lusted after an early production P228 for awhile, this is an amazing resource. Thank you sir, for posting this...
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Originally posted by 12131: 7. M11-A1: the excellent but much maligned P228/M11 wannabe. Started life in 2012 and still going. It’s really a P229, with the P229 slide, 229-1 frame, but wearing the P228 grip.
I had a chance to pickup one of these at a darn good price, probably should've put it towards a circa 1989 or so P228, but couldn't pass it up. You're right in that it's misunderstood, but it is an excellent shooter, the stainless slide simply eats up the 9mm's recoil like M&M's. Great gun, put a Bruce Gray P-Spit into it and sent it to Sig for an Enhanced Action job, now it's superb!
Anyway, thanks posting the great resource!
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December 28, 2016, 04:54 PM
shooter3116
I have an AI(9mm) and an AM(.40), neither are railed and both have P229 slides and grips w/slotted screws. Just saw on GB an AM (.40 railed) with Torx grip screws. Also observed an AB (.40 no rail) with the right side frame marking "FRAME P229-MADE IN GERMANY" Never noted this on any later models. Seems to be a lot of variations out there.
December 28, 2016, 04:59 PM
GP229
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Originally posted by shooter3116: Also observed an AB (.40 no rail) with the right side frame marking "FRAME P229-MADE IN GERMANY" Never noted this on any later models. Seems to be a lot of variations out there.
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March 03, 2017, 10:50 PM
12131
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Originally posted by cherokee2u: Ever heard of the P228 Night Stalker 12131?
Yeah, the one with that complicated looking gizmo they call light/laser attached in front? Very ugly.
Btw, how about a pic of your factory nickel KA? This message has been edited. Last edited by: 12131,
Q
March 04, 2017, 07:31 AM
454gun
Great read . Lots of good facts.
March 04, 2017, 11:19 AM
quantum13
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Originally posted by cherokee2u: Ever heard of the P228 Night Stalker 12131?
I got to check one of these out at Robert Burke's shop. Q is right - it's really ugly...it looks like a movie prop from the 80s...but the way they made it all work is fascinating...the little wires in the slide, the contacts, etc. the way it was all rigged up looks like the laser cut out when the pistol was fired. there were contacts in the rear rails that mated to the slide, the slide had the wires in recessed channels to carry the current to the front, etc, but contact was only made when the slide was in the home position. Very impressive to see the custom work but still very ugly. It was something I could appreciate logically but not emotionally...didn't resonate w/ me at all.
March 04, 2017, 11:22 AM
12131
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Originally posted by quantum13:
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Originally posted by cherokee2u: Ever heard of the P228 Night Stalker 12131?
I got to check one of these out at Robert Burke's shop. Q is right - it's really ugly...it looks like a movie prop from the 80s...but the way they made it all work is fascinating...the little wires in the slide, the contacts, etc. the way it was all rigged up looks like the laser cut out when the pistol was fired. there were contacts in the rear rails that mated to the slide, the slide had the wires in recessed channels to carry the current to the front, etc, but contact was only made when the slide was in the home position. Very impressive to see the custom work but still very ugly. It was something I could appreciate logically but not emotionally...didn't resonate w/ me at all.
Yeah, that's the one Robert was trying to sell on GB a year or two ago.
Q
March 04, 2017, 03:02 PM
quantum13
I would imagine! I take it from your wording that he was not successful :P
March 04, 2017, 03:37 PM
12131
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Originally posted by quantum13: I would imagine! I take it from your wording that he was not successful :P
Yes. I distinctly remember it. The asking/starting price was in the neighborhood of $1500. And the unit wasn't working, because something wrong with one of the wires, and that he wasn't willing to mess with it. Don't know if he finally made it to work now. I did email him with a question about the thing at the time.
Q
March 04, 2017, 05:39 PM
cherokee2u
This is the Night Stalker that got this discussion going.
"Sig-Sauer P228 Night Stalker, 9MM Semi-Auto with 3 7/8" Barrel, Has VITC Night Stalker Laser System With Both Visible & Infrared Lasers, Dot/Post Sights, (1) 13-Round Factory Magazine, 98% With Box & Night Stalker Manual, Needs Batteries
"Sig-Sauer P228 Night Stalker, 9MM Semi-Auto with 3 7/8" Barrel, Has VITC Night Stalker Laser System With Both Visible & Infrared Lasers, Dot/Post Sights, (1) 13-Round Factory Magazine, 98% With Box & Night Stalker Manual, Needs Batteries
Never even heard of this one. Definitely interesting. This is a great thread.
March 04, 2017, 09:37 PM
quantum13
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Originally posted by 12131: Yes. I distinctly remember it. The asking/starting price was in the neighborhood of $1500. And the unit wasn't working, because something wrong with one of the wires, and that he wasn't willing to mess with it. Don't know if he finally made it to work now. I did email him with a question about the thing at the time.
Yeah that's right; it didn't work and I don't think it was obvious why. I'm not sure I would have wanted to mess with it either - though of course it would be a hard sell in that shape. I recall being fascinated by it but uninterested given the state of it.
March 04, 2017, 10:18 PM
220parts
Just finished a day at the German IWA show. Made a few more inquiries for some JJs... you never know! Bought a very early 229 stainless and a few other items as well. Met with a SIG historian on obscure SIG history. He also explained the spare slide markings and letters after the SN on some barrels. Sig Germany is hiring and the Mastershop is coming back. They are very interested in the US market. Perhaps a new batch of 228s?? We will see.
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March 04, 2017, 10:28 PM
12131
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Originally posted by 220parts: Just finished a day at the German IWA show. Made a few more inquiries for some JJs... you never know! Bought a very early 229 stainless and a few other items as well. Met with a SIG historian on SIG history. He also explained the spare slide markings and letters after the SN on some barrels. Sig Germany is hiring and the Mastershop is coming back. They are very interested in the US market. Perhaps a new batch of 228s?? We will see.
Did they find some more folded slides somewhere in the back corner of the electrical room? Because I remember it was said that the original equipment to make the folded slides were scrapped?
Q
March 04, 2017, 10:30 PM
12131
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Originally posted by cherokee2u: This is the Night Stalker that got this discussion going.
"Sig-Sauer P228 Night Stalker, 9MM Semi-Auto with 3 7/8" Barrel, Has VITC Night Stalker Laser System With Both Visible & Infrared Lasers, Dot/Post Sights, (1) 13-Round Factory Magazine, 98% With Box & Night Stalker Manual, Needs Batteries
Yes, but that's not complete. This is the complete system.
Q
March 04, 2017, 10:34 PM
220parts
I am scheduling a factory visit to see what is available. They mentioned new equipment was purchased. You never know what is tucked away. Last time it was some beautiful Nill grips and a .357 X5! Wonder if there is sufficient demand for a new batch (besides the obvious)!
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Because I remember it was said that the original equipment to make the folded slides were scrapped?
