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Should I give a red dot a try or should I stick to iron sights on my self defense pistols? | ||
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You should try a quality red dot out on someone's pistol. For close self defense all you do any way is point shoot. Sights, iron or red dot are for shots you normally aim. For those a red dot makes a fair shooter almost an expert. Once you zero in a red dot just see where the red dot is and fire. It doesn't have to be in the center of the round narrow frame. I like the Shield (Made in UK) since once zeroed in__not buttons to turn on and the dot adjusts instantly to the atmosphere. It changes brightness depending bright sunshine or in dim light. The battery will last three or more years. Brownells is Shield's official seller but others sell them. As far as I can tell Shield is sort of like Apple__the price is the same anywhere__and $400. That's about the middle of the road for pricing red dots. Some folks like one to use in a fire fight in the military. The Shield is tough enough for anything you're apt to do. You'll keep both eyes open and you'll all around you. Where you see that red dot__that's where the bullet hits. G'luck Poli Viejo | |||
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Using a red dot feels like cheating. Since shooting is something you always want to win, Cheat! Sigs, HKs, 1911s, Berettas, Glocks and SW revolvers | |||
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My options are Trijicon RMR or SRO.This message has been edited. Last edited by: venenoindy, | |||
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69 year old eyes ... RDS are a whole new world, positive. | |||
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The night sights on my P365 are great but I was still having trouble getting anything into focus. Then I tried C.A.R. (center axis relock). Absolutely changed everything. It is now easy to get the front sight into focus and put it on a target without the use of glasses. Faster and more accurate now. For old eyes, I highly recommend trying it! | |||
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My advice is for a laser. Push a switch (or use one with a grip pad) and point. Forget trying to line up a red dot or sights. My bedside CZ wears one. ________________________ "Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme" | |||
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Go with the RMR & don't look back. You'll be glad you did. I was. The MRO is a little big for a handgun. Rom 13:4 If you do evil, be afraid. For he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. | |||
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When I bought a P320RX compact, it opened my eyes to a whole new way of shooting (pun intended). I enjoy it very much! However, I don't carry it. It's a house gun. My carry guns get night sights (Mep and Ameriglo) and that's it. | |||
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Some people have trouble with reflex (red dot) sights but they work for me. I added a RMR Gen 2 to my FNX-9 and saw an immediate gain in accurate shooting and how far (range) I can shoot well. I will use this sight with other guns as I go along. Recommend anyone going this route also take a look at the new Trijicon SRO which seems to be even easier to use. | |||
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The Trijicon SRO is NOT intended for duty/self defense use, but rather the competition crowd. Sage Dynamics did a review on it. It works great, but broke on the drop test. The RMR is good to go. During the review/drop test of the SRO, the lens shattered, but did stay intact and he was still able to use it. However, the RMR proved to be more durable. Maybe by the third generation they will get everything right. You may want to checkout the Aimpoint Acro P1 (closed emitter). Sage Dynamics also reviewed it and he was able to crack the lens, but it was just along the edge and the optic held zero after 2K rounds and 4 drop tests on a rock. ---------- “Nobody can ever take your integrity away from you. Only you can give up your integrity.” H. Norman Schwarzkopf | |||
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LOL I love how the internet absolutely has to lose its shit over "drop tests". I read a thread here one time where the Romeo 1 didn't take repeated racking using the optic to cycle the slide on a metal table. People freaked out, declared the Romeo 1 junk because of it. Too many people watch John Wick as a documentary, and not the entertainment that it is. I get so tired of the RMR snobs bad mouthing everything else that is not the holy grail of the coveted RMR. Really? He intentionally abused it, it broke, he was able to continue to use it, but its "competition only"???????? I have seen way more RMR's go down than any other optic. That simple fact leads to people claiming "I've shot 11 billionty flawless rounds through RMRs, and never had an issue. Every match I go to I see a Romeo 1 explode and kill an average of 13 people per match. All hail the RMR. All hail the RMR" Guys, seriously, the SRO is fine for carry. The Romeo 1 is fine for carry. You're not going to make a run to the grocery store and have to shoot 2000 rounds after you drop your SRO in the produce isle. | |||
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While some tend to be a bit... overzealous, there is a real concern. Bauble the draw and send the pistol onto the concrete, take a tumble on some uneven sidewalk, clip the hood on a table while it's on your hip- there are a lot of circumstances where impacts can occur. For the most part it's probably low chances and not something you'll actually experience, but you're talking to gun people who are carrying a gun for that small percentage possible need for it, and don't want the overlap of infinitesimal odds to render a pistol non-functional. I think the SRO is great, but it's demonstrably weaker than the RMR. Trijicon does not recommend it for duty use. People can weigh the pros and cons and make a decision. The RMR has its drawbacks as well, but durability from bumps and drops doesn't seem to be one. | |||
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There is a huge difference in dropping the pistol, banging it on something, and repeated abuse with some form of "declaration" upon failure. It is not even in the same ball park. Someone carrying a gun for self defense is no way the same as being a delta guy. That line has long been blurred. And it has been blurred though slick marketing, and internet videos of abuse. And there's nothing saying that delta guys won't be carrying SROs, and certainly nothing saying that they aren't currently carrying Romeo 1s. So, ok, if you want to use your optic as a hammer, yeah, this one is the best choice. If not, I'd venture to say that there isn't much difference in the major players. | |||
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My eyesight started going south in my mid 40's and I made the decision to go RDS a couple years ago. It made a huge difference. I still practice with irons but my go-to range gun and my carry gun both have RMR's. The one thing I can say after shooting a ton and training with both pistols extensively, proper maintenance of your RDS is key. Ensure your batteries are good, ensure the sight is mounted to spec properly, use good loctite. Don't cheap out on the sight you pick. And practice as much as you can until you can acquire the dot instinctively. "You have the right not to be killed..." The Clash, "Know Your Rights" | |||
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One trick I learned from competition shooters who are converting to optics is to put co-witness irons on along with the red dot. It helps get your alignment correct on presentation and you'll find the dot a lot faster. | |||
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I would not do this. The advantage of running a dot is the ability to see more and use a single focal point, the target. If you attempt to get VERY tall sights, cowitness, and line them up to aim then you might as well save a couple $$$ and run old school irons. The learning curve gets steep again if your index wasn’t very good. I would suggest running the lowest irons possible and just getting better at your presentation. Why deminish the dots advantages? | |||
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Go the coin?? Give it a shot. | |||
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Last Christmas, Sig had a sale so I splurged on a new RX slide for my P226 Legion with the Romeo1. I shot SO well with it that I sold the original upper on this forum. A couple years ago age forced me to start wearing tri-focals. I found that shooting became WAY more difficult wearing those glasses. The "pistol" red dot was my answer to my failing vision. Call it cheating or whatever, but if and when that "bad guy" ever comes for a visit, I want to be able to effectively protect my family. (Yes, I have a laser on my bedside gun as well.) | |||
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I was a skeptic, but am now a convert. I have started carrying a G19 MOS with RMR and I don't ever want to go back to iron sights. | |||
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