At a Glock shoot, I had to shoot 3 double-taps at a human size silhouette target...at 25 yards.
I managed to put all 6 rounds into the middle of the target in a 3" group.
Surprised a bunch of watchers... me included.
Magic button? Glock G17 stock.

To me, "flat-shooting" refers to ballistic trajectories, not firearms. Guns aren't flat-shooting; cartridges may be.

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It took me a couple of days to find this article. The focus is on rifles but the material would be consistent to pistols. I've posted a snippet about barrel length and trajectory which is what flat-shooting brings to my mind.

www.EverydayMarksman.co/equipment/barrel-length-trajectory/

"Velocity and Trajectory

One big misconception out there is that a longer barrel makes your rifle more accurate. This is incorrect. Barrel length doesn’t affect the mechanical accuracy of your rifle.

At least not enough to worry about.

What’s actually happening is that the ballistic curve of the bullet becomes flatter as velocity increases. In other words, you need less sight adjustment or holdover in order to make a shot.

Because of this, you perceive that it’s easier to hit a target when you have more velocity. I have two ways to demonstrate this to you..."

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Context would be important.
Is this a competition or fun gun where the size and/or weight don't matter, or something you would carry and need to conceal?

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Originally posted by parabellum:
To me, "flat-shooting" refers to ballistic trajectories, not firearms. Guns aren't flat-shooting; cartridges may be.

Flat shooting in the handgun world (especially competition) refers to the amount of muzzle rise and/or the ability to get back on target quickly. Generally it’s a high grip and/or a low bore axis that keeps a gun flat, but porting and comps do a lot to achieve similar results, as does just a well balanced pistol.

I do hear what you’re saying though. Flat shooting describes the ability of a rifle round to stay zeroed for long range hunting or target shooting.

Same term with two different meanings.

What I said was correct.

I asked Grok- that's Twitter's AI engine- to define "flat-shooting". You'll notice that your definition of the term is nowhere to be found; not a single word about muzzle rise, and the reason for that is that the term has nothing to do with muzzle rise; "flat-shooting" refers to ballistic trajectory. You and others have heard the term and have misinterpreted and then misapplied its meaning. It has nothing to do with just handguns, or that there is a different definition of the term for just handguns, and anyone applying the term in this manner is wrong. Simple as that:

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In the context of shooting, "flat-shooting" refers to a firearm or cartridge that produces a trajectory with minimal curvature over a given distance. Essentially, it means the bullet travels in a relatively straight line with little drop, making it easier to aim and hit targets at varying ranges without significant adjustments for elevation.
This characteristic is often associated with high-velocity rounds, such as the .270 Winchester or .300 Weatherby Magnum, where the bullet's speed and ballistic efficiency reduce the effect of gravity over distance. Flat-shooting cartridges are prized in scenarios like long-range hunting or target shooting, where precision and consistency are key. The flatter the trajectory, the less you have to compensate for bullet drop, especially within a typical effective range.

Para, I'm afraid you're arguing a losing battle, similar to how many shooters are unable to distinguish between clips vs magazines.

I'm reminded of another post you had where you explained how, "Fitment doesn't mean what you think it means." At some point, gun rag writers & guntubers began using fitment in place of fit, b/c they thought it made them sound smarter, then the rest of the gun world ran w/ it.

Another example is straight vs flat triggers. When describing trigger shoes, many people say flat when they mean straight.

Flat properly describes the face of trigger where you place your index finger. The face can be flat or rounded/radiused/convex. Not all straight triggers are flat-faced, and trigger can be both curved & flat.

The LaRue MBT-2S trigger has a curved shape & flat face.


This Ranger Proof trigger has a straight shape & convex/rounded face.

Some shooters on other forums are reporting that the Glock 47 gets back on-target quicker than the Glock 34. Of the notable shooters saying this, that have yew-tube channels, Ben Stoeger comes to mind. The Glock 47 uses the same RSA (recoil spring assembly) as the Gen5 G19 and G45, rather than the G17 RSA.

Fast split times not being a priority, I have not rushed to buy a Glock 47. I went with the 17L, due to reports of its softer recoil. I am getting old! The G47 may achieve its quicker return-to-battery by not being as gentle. I would like to try a G47, of course, sooner or later. Only my right hand is really gimpy, thus far, because it was the one I pounded with too much .44 and then .41 Magnum recoil, in the Eighties.

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Beretta PX4 Compact.

While I only have a few mags through one, an Archon Type B may give the Beretta a run for it's money - if not surpass it.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
To me, "flat-shooting" refers to ballistic trajectories, not firearms. Guns aren't flat-shooting; cartridges may be.

Yeah, no doubt about that...In my case, the larger frame, longer bbl allowed me to stay on target nicely for the double-tap.