Guns for 75+ years would fire if you dropped them in NO SPECIAL WAY. The 320 had to have a VERY SPECIAL RARE DROP TO FIRE.
I knew a person that handed his revolver to his wife one morning, it fell and fired and shot her in the head, it didn't kill her but the bullet couldn't be removed from her brain ( this was 50 years ago. She slowly went crazy and died.

Lawsuits against gun companies are going to increase at alarming rates. The anti gun ownership lobby is getting stronger. We now live in a time that facts don't count, so it won't be good for gun mfg's going forward, I see gun companies moving out of this country because the insurance protecting them against litigation will be too costly to produce here.

I think one way to reduce these accidental discharges is mandatory firearms training. I know many disagree with me on this.... but what I mean is every American or even aliens that are living here for any extended period of time must be trained. Does not matter if you own a gun or not. And this should start in Grade school and be repeated through out a child and into young adults educations. I know this sounds like government intervention but we require our children to be know reading, writing, and 'arithmetic'... why not proper firearms handling?

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
I think one way to reduce these accidental discharges is mandatory firearms training. I know many disagree with me on this.... but what I mean is every American or even aliens that are living here for any extended period of time must be trained. Does not matter if you own a gun or not. And this should start in Grade school and be repeated through out a child and into young adults educations. I know this sounds like government intervention but we require our children to be know reading, writing, and 'arithmetic'... why not proper firearms handling?

Nope! Tell me one thing the government stuck its hand in and made it better. I taught my own children gun safety as any responsible parent should do. When these frivolous lawsuits get tossed out, make the losers pay the entire cost. Make the possibility of disbarment a reality for the bloodsucking attorneys that habitually bring these types of frivolous lawsuits.

Government education hasn't worked out that well when the average homeschooler in our area is the first hire and scores better on testing.

Formal schooling was originally an exercise to educate the children of the poor who couldn't afford it any other way as both parents went to work. Their children ran amok in the street stealing etc and were a nuisance to the public in general. So they voted to educate them for free and tried to fix it.

Stats and studies show it was slowly working up to 1963, and then if fell flat when public schools kicked God out of the classroom. We rapidly returned to feral children running amok in the streets and are now on the 3rd Gen of them raising irresponsible hoodlums. Living a semi rural county, I can show you where it's NOT the ethnic group that description sounds like committing the bulk of the crimes, either. Its not your ethic background, it's your moral family history which sets the tone of behavior. Schools have been coopted by the socialists and we don't need them anymore.

Remember, they will tell you, we're from the government and we're here to help! Better to accept the responsibility we once exercised as a nation and raise your own kids, not foist it off on the charity of others.

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I think one way to reduce these accidental discharges is mandatory firearms training.

Noble thought, but it really wouldn't stop anything.
Mainly because stupidity and complacency will never cease to exist, even with the most "trained" people.


"I'm the only one in this room professional enough, that I know of, to carry this Glock 40."


Can't forget Old Tex


How about a firearms instructor...


Fleece drawstring causes Glock to fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrJMQupYxaw

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...mandatory...

Fuck you, lefty, and don't even try to convince me you're not a leftist.

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
I think one way to reduce these accidental discharges is mandatory firearms training. I know many disagree with me on this.... but what I mean is every American or even aliens that are living here for any extended period of time must be trained. Does not matter if you own a gun or not. And this should start in Grade school and be repeated through out a child and into young adults educations. I know this sounds like government intervention but we require our children to be know reading, writing, and 'arithmetic'... why not proper firearms handling?

Yeah,just what we need. Another law so the government can pervert it's intent as another means to control us.
Dream on.

Some thoughts about mandatory training and arbitrary standards—and they’re always arbitrary.

Way back in the early days of the civil rights movement in this country one of the things we learned about was the “literacy” tests people were required to take in some southern states before they could vote in political elections. Although I never saw the details of one myself, they were evidently scored on a subjective basis, i.e., no multiple choice or even fill in the blanks. And what was strange was that although third-grade dropout whites who might be able to spell their own names had no problem passing the tests, even college-educated blacks invariably failed—assuming they even took the test.

The same sort of thing lingers on today in some states where getting a permit to carry a gun is based on a “needs” test. If the permits are issued by the local police department (Denver PD had a panel of officers who made the decisions), a retired officer from the department almost always had a greater “need” for the permit than anyone else, including those of us who were retired from other law enforcement agencies, and much less the average citizen.

Do I believe that firearms training is a good thing? Of course, but when we make it a mandatory requirement and especially when overseen by faceless bureaucrats, then it inevitably becomes corrupted and is more about power and influence than community safety.

More rules and regulations. It's for the children. It's for the greater good. Where have we heard that before.

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family is suing Sig basically claiming the gun 'just went off'... ( deeper pockets no doubt)

The only reason is the thievin' lawyers who smell blood in the water.

Mandatory training? The notion it is the role of government to protect the citizenry from all catastrophe and harm will be the ruination of The Republic.

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
I think one way to reduce these accidental discharges is mandatory firearms training. I know many disagree with me on this.... but what I mean is every American or even aliens that are living here for any extended period of time must be trained. Does not matter if you own a gun or not. And this should start in Grade school and be repeated through out a child and into young adults educations. I know this sounds like government intervention but we require our children to be know reading, writing, and 'arithmetic'... why not proper firearms handling?

You really haven't been paying attention to the current state of the education system, have you? The "education system" can't even teach reading, 'writing or arithmetic effectively.

I recall HS kids going through the school provided (and state mandated) driver education training.
Then a bunch of them either bought or talked their parents into buying them Superbikes.
The kid trained in the Nissan Versa was well prepared for his Hayabusa, no doubt.
Thats mandated training for you, right there.

Y'alls argument against training, and I know the word mandatory scares the hell out of you, is kind of like saying ... well we still have crime and so the police and justice system are ineffective and so let's just get rid of them.

If would be funny if I was ever in a position to tr and get this 'mandatory' fire arms training in-acted... because there would be two sides and both against it... both y'all pro gun folks and the anti gun folks would be in the same camp. Kind of like when a dry North Carolina county tries to allow the sale of alcohol ... the bootleggers and fundamentalist both oppose it.

And I'm sorry Para but I can't quite wrap my head around how me believing everyone should be trained in proper firearm handling makes me a lefty... I do understand the fear of the Government doing it and that it would most likely not work out as we would like.... but still....

Just me... and luckily I'm too old and worn out to ever try and make a change in the world....

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Y'alls argument against training, and I know the word mandatory scares the hell out of you, is kind of like saying ... well we still have crime and so the police and justice system are ineffective and so let's just get rid of them.

If would be funny if I was ever in a position to tr and get this 'mandatory' fire arms training in-acted... because there would be two sides and both against it... both y'all pro gun folks and the anti gun folks would be in the same camp. Kind of like when a dry North Carolina county tries to allow the sale of alcohol ... the bootleggers and fundamentalist both oppose it.

And I'm sorry Para but I can't quite wrap my head around how me believing everyone should be trained in proper firearm handling makes me a lefty... I do understand the fear of the Government doing it and that it would most likely not work out as we would like.... but still....

Just me... and luckily I'm too old and worn out to ever try and make a change in the world....

Why the government? What training have they done correctly effectively and cost efficiently? How will you prevent it being weaponized against us - as it is in other countries?

Age supposedly brings wisdom.
I don't understand how anybody as old as blume could be so naive.

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Y'alls argument against training, and I know the word mandatory scares the hell out of you, is kind of like saying ... well we still have crime and so the police and justice system are ineffective and so let's just get rid of them.

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And I'm sorry Para but I can't quite wrap my head around how me believing everyone should be trained in proper firearm handling makes me a lefty... I do understand the fear of the Government doing it and that it would most likely not work out as we would like.... but still....
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No one is against firearm training. It should always be encouraged. What many or most here are against is mandatory training. Mandatory is required, forced, involuntary. By whom? The government, of course, the position which you advocate. Then, after being called out, you back pedaled with everyone "should" be trained, which was not what you said originally. "Should" is not the same as "mandatory". You can't have it both ways. The bullshit from you is amazing.

Awareness of firearms is a good thing; there are those who will find mandated anything bad, and that includes firearms safety. Imagine the parents that don't own a firearm, or want their kids within a mile of one, responding to a requirement that their kids handle a firearm. Where do the mandates end?

Mandate dental training, in case you're ever alone and need to fix a filling. Mandate pilot training in case you're on the way to Dallas and the pilot collapses in his catering. Mandate snake wrangling in the event one must remove a snake from the back yard. Don't forget handling dangerous knitting needles at Grandma's, or the ubiquitous cigarette lighter training. Maybe light a few things on fire just to learn. Hold a hand in the flame to understand heat.

Police receive minimal firearm training and many don't know the manual of arms for anything but what they carry (and judging from the spate of P320 self-shootings, it appears they're not faring well there, either. Transpose that to the kid who saw a 1911 or a Glock in his mandated school class, who has a little knowledge (a very dangerous thing) and believes he can safely handle any firearm. Good recipe for disaster.

Firearm safety begins with the owner and operator of that firearm. Mandating that kids receive firearm training is somewhat mitigated when all owners responsibly take care of their firearms and secure them. Clearly there are more than a few irresponsible owners. I overheard two disgusted range safety officers today referencing people who shouldn't have or touch firearms...because they're dangerous with the firearm. Not everyone wants one, not everyone can safely use them, not everyone should have anything to do with a firearm. Everyone has the right, but that's not the same thing. (We have a right of way to cross the road, over a semi-truck. Insisting on that right might be fatal. Just because someone can, doesn't mean someone should).

Rather than forcing training on those who don't want it, encouraging training for all would be a far better choice. Scouting programs, 4H, and other groups that teach shooting classes, hunter education, and others, do offer training, many times at little or no cost; it not only encourages safety, but encourages interest in shooting, shooting sports, hunting, personal defense, etc.

In the meantime, the law suits will roll on, many of them with the same law firm, most of them cops, not a single one of them grounded in reality or justified...and in the end, Sig will probably settle anyway. That's where we are today, and it's unfortunate. The case presently under discussion falls squarely on the firearm owners head, but his pockets won't be deep enough.

I understand and part of me agrees with y'alls view on the evils of making something mandatory.... but the ignorance of the public about firearms makes me crazy sometimes...and many people are 'trained' by what they see on TV and in the movies.

If that were really true, people would be performing emergency tracheotomies using ball point pens and pocket knives at car wreck scenes, saving rape victims while wearing neon spandex and a cape, and pleasing six partners in one go...also based on TV and the movies.

Instead, we have talking butter, large overweight pitchers of colored water that break through brick walls, and self-taught lawyers that say "I object" far too much, who have kids that eat everything thats placed before them.

I think the boat the carried the excuse, "but I saw it on TV," has already sailed, not soon to return or be heard from again.